Thanks to Gary Gianotti for sending this in.

First Email

Thank you so much for taking my call the other day, I had a wonderful
time speaking with you. What is learned is that the Buccleuch first
fathers and Royal Stuart fathers share a common history issue. They do
not know who their mother of their lines identity to a women names Lady
Eschena of Molle, her fathers line.


Honestly, I think I have figured it out. So many historians and family
researchers have worked on their offshoots of their families that link
to this line with documented sources. Can be very confusing, except I
think I have figured it out. 


The town of Balltlemore-town of Mow/Molle is where the story starts.
This historian posted on their web-site, information that gives some of
the missing links to what I believe is accurate to resolve this lost
history identity.


Eschena first married Walter the Steward, she is documented as being the
daughter of Uchtred of Molle, who fathers is Liulf. Liulf is associated
to the famous murder of Bishop Walcher. This family is documented to
being the family of Uchtred "the Bold", Earl of Northumbria (971 -
1016)-ONE SON IS KING DUNCAN and Uchtred the Bold's father is Waltheof I
Earl of Northumbria.


NOTE: When Walter the Steward dies, Lady Eschena marries Henry
London(Bishop) they produce a daughter named "AVICIA" who is documented
being married to  Sir Richard Scott. This is where everything gets
messed up and I think it was by design of others! Here is the real
interesting part!!! Richard Scott married Avicia and in the Buccleuch
history, this is where their line begins with their son William.
Interesting enough, that Williams father Richard has the brother Michael
the Wizard. Their father is Richard Scott who is the son of Uchtred Fitz
Scott. The origin of the name Uchtred with the Scott family links
directly back to one of their maternal grandfathers who is Uchtred or
Ughtred Of Northumberland, earl of Northumbria, Earl of Bernica - See
more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I192937&tree=00#sthash.mjGWb2VH.dpuf
 Note:Bernica is a title of origin of this LIULF and family. 


Uchtred the bold, his other daughter married Ealdgyth who married the
lord of Allerdale our very important missing link with his sons Richard
De Morville and . WHY? The Dunbar line of Richards have gone by the name
"MOLLE" also Richards sister is a Key piece of the lost history. Sigrid
of Allerdale is Richard De Molle/ De Morville Lord of Dunbar sister.
Sigrids daughter is Gunnild Dunbar married "UCHTRED DE MOLLE" THEIR
CHILD IS Roland Lord of Galloway. Uchtred De Molle is a LORD OF
GALLOWAY. Richard de Morvilles sister Sigrid, their younger brother
Fergus De Galloway( Wife/Mother=Elizabeth Joan Fitz Henry Of Gloucester,
princess of England)is the father of Uchtred De Molla, Lord of Galloway.
Note: This secret father of the Buccleuch is UCHTRED FITZ SCOTT, we note
the FITZ!!! Elizabeths father is King Henry Lion Justice of Canmore.


The only family associated that EVER USES the Name SCOTT in this entire
relation is the family linked to Richard De Morville 1st Earl of Dunbars
line. Uchtred De Molle son is Roland, he is documented as being married
to Helen De Morville! Daughter of Richard De Morville and Avicia de
Lancaster Richard de Morville who is the Burgh by the Sands? How could
this Avicia be a Lancaster? How can this Richard be the son of Hugh De
Morville(AKA RICHARD-BUILDER OF KILWINNING and person who Killed Becket?


This is whats is crazy, Richard De Morville has a documented son named
William(Father of  the Line of the Buccleuch)? 
Family of Richard Scott (2)

3. Richard Scott II, 4, M. [Generation #3]

Ancestor of the Scotts of Murdockstone, of whom came the Buccleuch
family. [from Source #1]
Married Alicia/Alecia, 5, F, daughter of Henry (of) Molla, 384, M. With
Alicia, he received lands in Roxburg in the reign of Alexander II; he
was succeeded in that property by his son, William. [from Source #3]
Richard and Alecia had one child:
5 William, 6, M see notes below in "Fourth Generation"

Ealdgyth or Aeglithia or Agatha Of Northumbria, *
B: Bef 1016
  Of Northumbria, England
M: Abt 1035
  Argyle, Scotland
D: , , Scotland
Family: [Group Sheet]
1 Maldred or Moddan Of Scotland Fitz Crinan, lord of Allerdale
  Children:
  • Richard De Morville, 1st Earl Of Dunbar*
  • Maldred Fitz Maldred, Lord of Wintaton
  • Helga De Caithness
  • Sigrid or Sigarith Of Allerdale, *
  • Fergus De Galloway, lord of Galloway
- See more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I192937&tree=00#sthash.5F9wz6cA.dpuf


Below is the the family link  LIULF to the Uchtred the BOLD


d) ÆLDGYTH . Simeon of Durham names "Algitha daughter of earl Aldred" as
wife of "Ligulf", when recording the latter's murder[343]. Roger of
Hoveden names her and her father, as well as her husband and two
sons[344]. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records
that "Earl Aldred was the father of five daughters, three of whom bore
the same name Ælfleda, the fourth…Aldgitha and the fifth
Etheldritha"[345]. m LIULF, son of --- (-murdered 1080). Simeon of
Durham records that "Ligulf a noble and good thane" was murdered[346].
Resident of Durham, he was friends with Walcher and was murdered by
Gilbert sheriff of Northumberland[347]. Liulf & his wife had two
children:

i) UHTRED . Simeon of Durham names "Uchthred and Morckar" as the two
sons of "Ligulf" & his wife[348]. m ---. The name of Uhtred's wife is
not known. Uhtred & his wife had [one possible child]:

(a) [LIULF . "…Lyulf filio Uchtredi…" witnessed the charter dated to
[1120] under which "David comes filius Malcolmi Regis Scottorum" founded
the abbey of Selkirk[349]. While no proof has been found that Liulf was
the son of Uhtred, son of Liulf, this is probable because of the common
use of the unusual name "Liulf".]
 

Second Email

Attached is several different sources, enough to figure it all out. We
want to focus on Molle, the town historians web site work, several pages
after.


1. American Les Bucklews site history-Buccleuchs history thats very
accurate.
2.American Steve St. Clair of New York
3. My one page take on the story, then next two pages are of the
Mow/Molle historians site link, pages. Which is where this its all took
place, he is accurate from original sources, he and I have exchanged
emails. Respect him, with out knowing the nice man!
4. Links to a McDowell family site, very good history site! 


What can be said is that the Steward, line can be resolved to Lady
Eschena and her fathers to Liulf and the link to Uchtred the Bolds line.
The issue is with the Buccleuch line, there are two documented sources
of Lady Eschena, the Mow/Molle two page town or county history is first
hand source material. Makes you follow the history to Fergus brother,
the Dunbar line that would be the Richard de Molle/Scott who married
Lady Eschena's daughter. Henry of Molle the father is London(Bishop of
Ireland)Built St. Patricks!


The contradicting problem is this New York Steve St. Clair, who I will
say was a Spitfire in rudeness on my 2nd call to me! He gives an entire
different identity to the families linked to the earliest St.
Clairs/Sinclair family of Herdmonston. States that Richard de Mellville,
son of Hugh/Richard the plotter of Becket is married to AVCIA of Molle,
which would be Lady Eschena's daughter and Richard Scot of Buccleuch.
From Les Bucklews work his say that Ricahrd and Avice had a son William,
father of Richard and Michael the Wizard, believe. So, Roland who is
linked to the Uchtred/FERGUS line, married Helen! Richard Scott and
Avicia's daughter. Here is the problem, Steve St. Clair, says that and
others document that Avicia is a LANCASTER? This guy Steve ST. Clair
state the family De Morville is from France and Avicia is a Lancaster.
Seen other sources say that this Huge Richard Scott/ De Morville is
(Burgh of Sands) This would be our founder of person who is the builder
of Killwinning Abbey. Now hear this, its one or the other line! Richard
De Morville/Scott of the Burgh of Sands or Uchtred of Dunbar, son of
Richard de Morville, brother to Fergus?


Look at it like this, the Stuarts stayed very close into the 1780's!
Favor the basics of the history, might be a link with Molle and the
basic story, meaning favor more links to the Richard and Fergus
brothers! Kings, to the ancients! Where is a Lancaster so important?
Aside, I thing the Stuart his can be solved, and remember the Fitz link
from the last email!  


What I do know is that these Richards of Dunbar, went by Uchtred and one
sons history is missing Uchtred of Dunbar. There are two Gunnilds
between these two families of brothers Richard De Morville and Fergus
sons of Maldred or Moddan Of Scotland Fitz Crinan, lord of
Allerdale-----Maldreds mother is Beatrice Mac Alpin, Princess - See more
at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I169013&tree=00#sthash.yTBMudHj.dpuf


Mother of Fegus and Richard De Morville, Ealdgyth is daughter to Uchtred
or Ughtred Of Northumberland, earl of Northumbria, Earl of Bernica - See
more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I169013&tree=00#sthash.yTBMudHj.dpuf
Ealdgyth or Aeglithia or Agatha Of Northumbria, * NOTE* this is the
UCHTRED the Bold line Correct?
B: Bef 1016
  Of Northumbria, England
M: Abt 1035
  Argyle, Scotland
D: , , Scotland
Family: [Group Sheet]
1 Maldred or Moddan Of Scotland Fitz Crinan, lord of Allerdale
  Children:
  • Richard De Morville, 1st Earl Of Dunbar*
  • Maldred Fitz Maldred, Lord of Wintaton
  • Helga De Caithness
  • Sigrid or Sigarith Of Allerdale, *
  • Fergus De Galloway, lord of Galloway
- See more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I169013&tree=00#sthash.yTBMudHj.dpuf


Thank you so much for taking my call the other day, I had a wonderful
time speaking with you. What is learned is that the Buccleuch first
fathers and Royal Stuart fathers share a common history issue. They do
not know who their mother of their lines identity to a women names Lady
Eschena of Molle, her fathers line.


Honestly, I think I have figured it out. So many historians and family
researchers have worked on their offshoots of their families that link
to this line with documented sources. Can be very confusing, except I
think I have figured it out. 


The town of Balltlemore-town of Mow/Molle is where the story starts.
This historian posted on their web-site, information that gives some of
the missing links to what I believe is accurate to resolve this lost
history identity.


Eschena first married Walter the Steward, she is documented as being the
daughter of Uchtred of Molle, who fathers is Liulf. Liulf is associated
to the famous murder of Bishop Walcher. This family is documented to
being the family of Uchtred "the Bold", Earl of Northumbria (971 -
1016)-ONE SON IS KING DUNCAN and Uchtred the Bold's father is Waltheof I
Earl of Northumbria.


NOTE: When Walter the Steward dies, Lady Eschena marries Henry
London(Bishop) they produce a daughter named "AVICIA" who is documented
being married to  Sir Richard Scott. This is where everything gets
messed up and I think it was by design of others! Here is the real
interesting part!!! Richard Scott married Avicia and in the Buccleuch
history, this is where their line begins with their son William.
Interesting enough, that Williams father Richard has the brother Michael
the Wizard. Their father is Richard Scott who is the son of Uchtred Fitz
Scott. The origin of the name Uchtred with the Scott family links
directly back to one of their maternal grandfathers who is Uchtred or
Ughtred Of Northumberland, earl of Northumbria, Earl of Bernica - See
more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I192937&tree=00#sthash.mjGWb2VH.dpuf
 Note:Bernica is a title of origin of this LIULF and family. 


Uchtred the bold, his other daughter married Ealdgyth who married the
lord of Allerdale our very important missing link with his sons Richard
De Morville and . WHY? The Dunbar line of Richards have gone by the name
"MOLLE" also Richards sister is a Key piece of the lost history. Sigrid
of Allerdale is Richard De Molle/ De Morville Lord of Dunbar sister.
Sigrids daughter is Gunnild Dunbar married "UCHTRED DE MOLLE" THEIR
CHILD IS Roland Lord of Galloway. Uchtred De Molle is a LORD OF
GALLOWAY. Richard de Morvilles sister Sigrid, their younger brother
Fergus De Galloway( Wife/Mother=Elizabeth Joan Fitz Henry Of Gloucester,
princess of England)is the father of Uchtred De Molla, Lord of Galloway.
Note: This secret father of the Buccleuch is UCHTRED FITZ SCOTT, we note
the FITZ!!! Elizabeths father is King Henry Lion Justice of Canmore.


The only family associated that EVER USES the Name SCOTT in this entire
relation is the family linked to Richard De Morville 1st Earl of Dunbars
line. Uchtred De Molle son is Roland, he is documented as being married
to Helen De Morville! Daughter of Richard De Morville and Avicia de
Lancaster Richard de Morville who is the Burgh by the Sands? How could
this Avicia be a Lancaster? How can this Richard be the son of Hugh De
Morville(AKA RICHARD-BUILDER OF KILWINNING and person who Killed Becket?


This is whats is crazy, Richard De Morville has a documented son named
William(Father of  the Line of the Buccleuch)? 
Family of Richard Scott (2)

3. Richard Scott II, 4, M. [Generation #3]

Ancestor of the Scotts of Murdockstone, of whom came the Buccleuch
family. [from Source #1]
Married Alicia/Alecia, 5, F, daughter of Henry (of) Molla, 384, M. With
Alicia, he received lands in Roxburg in the reign of Alexander II; he
was succeeded in that property by his son, William. [from Source #3]
Richard and Alecia had one child:
5 William, 6, M see notes below in "Fourth Generation"


Ealdgyth or Aeglithia or Agatha Of Northumbria, *
B: Bef 1016
  Of Northumbria, England
M: Abt 1035
  Argyle, Scotland
D: , , Scotland
Family: [Group Sheet]
1 Maldred or Moddan Of Scotland Fitz Crinan, lord of Allerdale
  Children:
  • Richard De Morville, 1st Earl Of Dunbar*
  • Maldred Fitz Maldred, Lord of Wintaton
  • Helga De Caithness
  • Sigrid or Sigarith Of Allerdale, *
  • Fergus De Galloway, lord of Galloway
- See more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/pedigree.php?personID=I192937&tree=00#sthash.5F9wz6cA.dpuf


Below is the the family link  LIULF to the Uchtred the BOLD


d) ÆLDGYTH . Simeon of Durham names "Algitha daughter of earl Aldred" as
wife of "Ligulf", when recording the latter's murder[343]. Roger of
Hoveden names her and her father, as well as her husband and two
sons[344]. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records
that "Earl Aldred was the father of five daughters, three of whom bore
the same name Ælfleda, the fourth…Aldgitha and the fifth
Etheldritha"[345]. m LIULF, son of --- (-murdered 1080). Simeon of
Durham records that "Ligulf a noble and good thane" was murdered[346].
Resident of Durham, he was friends with Walcher and was murdered by
Gilbert sheriff of Northumberland[347]. Liulf & his wife had two
children:

i) UHTRED . Simeon of Durham names "Uchthred and Morckar" as the two
sons of "Ligulf" & his wife[348]. m ---. The name of Uhtred's wife is
not known. Uhtred & his wife had [one possible child]:

(a) [LIULF . "…Lyulf filio Uchtredi…" witnessed the charter dated to
[1120] under which "David comes filius Malcolmi Regis Scottorum" founded
the abbey of Selkirk[349]. While no proof has been found that Liulf was
the son of Uhtred, son of Liulf, this is probable because of the common
use of the unusual name "Liulf".]

Best Regards
Gary Gianotti

See also pdf's on Uchtred 1  and  Uchtred 2

 

Third Email

Check out these two websites, this breaks two different families. Here
is a guy who did a copy right. This first web site address Hugh De
Morville of Burgh by the Sands. WHO married the a DEAD Hugh De
Morville's Wife. This is the Hugh/Richard who is linked to France, same
guy that Steve St. Clair worked on with his St. Clairs of Herdmonston.
Here is the real kicker, these FRENCH Hugh De Morville is claimed to
have HIS SON as last child NAMED RICHARD De MORVILLE who married Avicia, daughter of William I Lancaster, who is married to a women with the name
Gunn---? No one knows their true links either!


Now it gets better, if you go to the next web site that is pasted below
this Hugh of Kirkoswald-De Morville. Attached a website that is very
good, with all the important ancient families to MOLLE! So, we have this
father Hugh/aka Richard de Morville(Becket Killer-his other son
Hugh/Richard) and then youngest son Richard de Morville who married
Alicia=William I lancaster? Richard and Alicia produce a daughter named
Helen who married ROLAND LORD OF GALLOWAY, Son of Uchtred De
Molle/Galloway who's wife if Gunnild of Dunbar, her father is Waltheof.
LINKS us Back to Utchred of Molle/Galloway back to Fergus of Galloway is
Molle, he is brother to RICHARD De Morville, both sons of Maldred/Modden
of Scotland who married Eladgyth of Northumbria, her dad is Uchtred the
BOLD. Maldred's mom is Princess Bethoc heires of Scone), daughter of
Malcolm II Mac Alpin King! Maldreds brother is King Duncan!


So, we all swing back to Molle and somewhere in the mix here, our
original Uchtred Fitz Scott to Buccleuch who son is Richard, then
Richard will be figured out. Look at Fergus, his wifes name? Elizabeth
Joan Fitz Henry of Glouster. Daughter of King Henry I. 


Obviously there is a link with these Huge/Richard de Morville and
Fergus's brothers line, the orignal Richard De Morville of 1st Earl of
Dunbar. The way I see it, no way is this Hugh/RIchard De Morville, the
fathers of the Buccleuch line. The Buccleuchs first father, Uchtred Fitz
Scott links to Molle with the grandson Richard and Avicia to Eschena and
Uchtred and the links to Furgus and his families, we understand. These
royals allowed this marriage with this Hugh/Richard De Morville. If the
Bucceluch lines are not from a direct male of these groups, we know they
are married to them by Richard Scott by Avicia. Very few choices, know
all the links to the monks, charters, establishing Templars in Scotland,
correct? 


If the Buccleuch line is not from any of these men of Hugh/Richard De
Morville of Burgh by the Sands or Richard of Dunbar and brother Fergus.
Then there is one maybe missing link, he was a serious player with the
Bishops and Avicias father Henry Molle/Bishop! 


There is a documented account of a Richard Scott of Molle, documented as
the son of Anselm and the only Anselm directly associated to these
Players of Kings and Churches and monks, was Anselm of Canterbury. He
the Bishop Saint, could have had kids and could be the father of these
Buccleuchs. Attached document on them, look at this Richard Scott of
Molle. who is associated to Lady Eschena and the Abbys, this Anselm son,
Richard Scott of Molle is the one who married Avicia and the Buccleuchs,
say this is true by the Les Bucklew documents. This Anselm/Molle Richard
Scott is documented in the Molla Site(Attached it). Richard has two
sisters and his brother in-law is Richard de Lincoln, Bishop of Moray.
Note: When you get to the Molle pages with these Anselm/Richard Scott of
Molle, note the association of the Kelso Monks with Kilwinnings history.
Who else is the world associated would have this name of Anselm?No one!
Who was the mother? Looks like we could have a naughty bishop, who was
with a Royal. Would be very important if it was true, because the
Buccleuch and the Stuarts kept the tightest alliance for 500 more years.


Best Regards,


Gary Gianotti
 

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First Generation



Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE MORVILLE 68 was born about 1085 in Morville,
Valognes, Manche, Normandy, France 68 and died of Kirkoswald,
Cumberland, England.68 Hugh married Wife of Hugh DE (MORVILLE) UNKNOWN
circa 1105. Wife was born circa 1085 and died of Kirkoswald, Cumberland,
England.

Children from this marriage were:
2. i.  (Sir) Simon DE MORVILLE Knight 1067 1071 was born circa 1110
in Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England and died before 1141 of Burgh by
Sands, Cumberland, England.
3. ii.  Hugh DE MORVILLE Constable of Scotland was born about 1115 in
Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England and died about 1162 in Dryburgh,
Roxburghshire, Scotland about age 47.



Second Generation



2. (Sir) Simon DE MORVILLE Knight 1067 1071 (Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1)
was born circa 1110 in Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England and died before
1141 of Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England. Another name for Simon was
Simon de MOREVILLE. Simon married Ada D' ENGAINE Heiress of
Burgh-by-Sands (See Link for Ancestry),1067 daughter of William D'
ENGAINE and Eustachia D'(ENGAINE) UNKNOWN, circa 1130.1067 Ada was born
circa 1115 in Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England and died of Burgh by
Sands, Cumberland, England.

Children from this marriage were:
4. i.  Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas a Becket' DE MORVILLE Forester of
Cumberland, Lord of Westmorland 1059 1072 1073 was born circa 1140 of
Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England and died about 1202 of Burgh,
Cumberland, Scotland 1074 about age 62.
5. ii.  Ada DE MORVILLE 652 1075 was born circa 1150 in Burgh by
Sands, Cumberland, England and died of Mitford Castle, Morpeth,
Northumberland, England.

3. Hugh DE MORVILLE Constable of Scotland (Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1)
was born about 1115 in Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England and died about
1162 in Dryburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland about age 47. Hugh married
Beatrice DE BEAUCHAMP, daughter of Robert DE BEAUCHAMP (Ancestor of
Barons of Bedford) and Wife of Robert DE (BEAUCHAMP) UNKNOWN, circa
1140. Beatrice was born about 1118 in Bedford, Bedfordshire, England and
died after 1153.

The Child from this marriage was:

6. i.  Richard DE MORVILLE Constable of Scotland 1076 was born circa
1145 in Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England and died about 1189 of Lauder,
Lauderdale, Scotland 1076 about age 44.



Third Generation




Click Wikipedia for more on  Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas a Becket' DE
MORVILLE
4. Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas a Becket' DE MORVILLE Forester of
Cumberland, Lord of Westmorland 1059 1072 1073 (Simon DE Knight ((Sir))
2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1140 of Burgh by Sands,
Cumberland, England and died about 1202 of Burgh, Cumberland, Scotland
1074 about age 62. Hugh married Helwise (Heloise) DE STUTEVILLE (See
Link for Ancestry),1067 1074 1077 daughter of Robert III DE STUTEVILLE
and Hawise DE MURDAC, after 1184. Helwise was born circa 1155 in
Lazenby, Cumberland, England and died after 1228 of Knaresborough
Castle, West Riding Yorkshire, England.1074 Another name for Helwise was
Hawise de STUTEVILLE.1059

Children from this marriage were:
7. i.  Ada DE MORVILLE Co-heiress of Cumberland and Westmorland 1059
1060 was born circa 1185 in Cumberland, England and died after 1230 of
Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England.1056 1059
8. ii.  Joanna DE MORVILLE Co-heiress of Cumberland was born circa
1185 of Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England and died before 22 Apr 1247
of Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England.

5. Ada DE MORVILLE 652 1075 (Simon DE Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of
Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1150 in Burgh by Sands, Cumberland,
England and died of Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England.
Another name for Ada was Ada de MOREVILLE. Ada married (Sir) Roger I
BERTRAM Knight 652 1075 circa 1170. Roger was born circa 1150 in Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died before 1177 of Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England.1078 Another name for Roger was
Roger DE BERTRAM.

The Child from this marriage was:

9. i.  William II BERTRAM Lord of Mitford 652 1075 was born circa
1170 in Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died before
1206 of Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England.1078

6. Richard DE MORVILLE Constable of Scotland 1076 (Hugh DE Constable of
Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1145 in
Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England and died about 1189 of Lauder,
Lauderdale, Scotland 1076 about age 44. Richard married Avice DE
LANCASTER (See Link for Ancestry),1076 daughter of William I DE
LANCASTER 5th Baron of Kendall and Gundred DE WARENNE, circa 1165.1076
Avice was born circa 1145 in Kendal, Westmorland, England and died 1 Jan
1191 of Lauder, Lauderdale, Scotland at age 46.

The Child from this marriage was:

10. i.  Elena DE MORVILLE 1076 was born circa 1170 in Kirkoswald,
Cumberland, England, died 11 Jun 1217 1076 at age 47, and was buried in
Abbey of Dundren, Kirkcudbright, Scotland.



Fourth Generation



7. Ada DE MORVILLE Co-heiress of Cumberland and Westmorland 1059 1060
(Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas a Becket' DE Forester of Cumberland, Lord of
Westmorland 3, Simon DE Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was
born circa 1185 in Cumberland, England and died after 1230 of Burgh by
Sands, Cumberland, England.1056 1059 Another name for Ada was Ada de
MOREVILLE. Ada married (Sir) Thomas II DE MULTON Knight (See Link for
Ancestry),1055 1056 1057 son of Thomas I DE MULTON and Eleanor DE
BOSTON, 10 Mar 1218.1059 1060 Thomas was born before 1180 in Moulton,
Spalding, Lincolnshire, England 1057 and died about 1240 of Egremont &
Copeland, Cumberland, England.1057

See the (Sir) Thomas II DE MULTON Knight Entry for this Couple's
Children and Descendants.



Ada next married Richard DE LUCY Lord of Copeland (See Link for
Ancestry),588 1056 1059 son of Reynold DE LUCY and Amabel FITZ WILLIAM
Heiress of Copeland, in 1200.1056 1059 Richard was born circa 1170 in
Copeland, Cumberland, England, died in 1213 in Egremont, Cumberland,
England 1056 1059 at age 43, and was buried in St. Bees Priory,
Cumberland, England.

Children from this marriage were:
11. i.  Richard DE LUCY 1079 was born circa 1202 in Egremont &
Copeland, Cumberland, England and died before 1243 of West Shelford,
Berkshire, England.
12. ii.  Amabel DE LUCY Heiress of Egremont 1061 1069 was born circa
1205 in Egremont, Cumberland, England and died after 1225 of Egremont,
Cumberland, England.
13. iii.  Alice DE LUCY 588 1064 was born circa 1207 in Egremont,
Cumberland, England and died before 24 Mar 1288 of Copeland, Cumberland,
England.1064

8. Joanna DE MORVILLE Co-heiress of Cumberland (Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas
a Becket' DE Forester of Cumberland, Lord of Westmorland 3, Simon DE
Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1185 of
Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England and died before 22 Apr 1247 of Burgh
by Sands, Cumberland, England. Joanna married Richard GERNON Sheriff of
Cumberland circa 1210. Richard was born circa 1180 and died of Burgh by
Sands, Cumberland, England.

Children from this marriage were:

14. i.  Helewise GERNON was born circa 1215 of Burgh by Sands,
Cumberland, England and died before 6 Apr 1270.
15. ii.  Ada GERNON was born circa 1225 in Burgh by Sands,
Cumberland, England and died about 1271 of Burgh by Sands, Cumberland,
England about age 46.

9. William II BERTRAM Lord of Mitford 652 1075 (Ada DE MORVILLE 3, Simon
DE Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1170 in
Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died before 1206 of
Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England.1078 Another name for
William was William DE BERTRAM. William married MRIN 3228 Alice DE
UMFREVILLE 652 circa 1190. MRIN was born circa 1170 and died of Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England. Another name for MRIN was
Alice DE UMFREVILLE.

The Child from this marriage was:

16. i.  (Sir) Roger BERTRAM Lord Of Mitford 652 was born circa 1190
of Mitford, Northumberland, England and died after 14 Dec 1264 of
Mitford, Northumberland, England.541

10. Elena DE MORVILLE 1076 (Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE
Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1170
in Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England, died 11 Jun 1217 1076 at age 47, and
was buried in Abbey of Dundren, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. Elena married
Roland Of GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland (See Link for Ancestry),1076
son of Utrech Of GALLOWAY and Gunnilda Of ALLERDALE, circa 1190.1076
Roland was born circa 1165 in Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway,
Scotland,1076 died 19 Dec 1200 of Northamptonshire, England 1076 at age
35, and was buried in Priory of St. Andrew, Northampton, England.

Children from this marriage were:

17. i.  MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of
Scotland was born circa 1185 in Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway,
Scotland, died of Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland, and was
buried in Abbey of Dundren, Kirkcudbright, Scotland.
18. ii.  Devorguilla Of GALLOWAY Heiress of Whissendine was born
about 1195 in Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland and died in
Whissendine, Oakham, Rutlandshire, England.



Fifth Generation



12. Amabel DE LUCY Heiress of Egremont 1061 1069 (Ada DE MORVILLE
Co-heiress of Cumberland and Westmorland 4, Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas a
Becket' DE Forester of Cumberland, Lord of Westmorland 3, Simon DE
Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1205 in
Egremont, Cumberland, England and died after 1225 of Egremont,
Cumberland, England. Amabel married Lambert DE MULTON Lord of Egremont
(See Link for Ancestry),1061 1064 1065 son of (Sir) Thomas II DE MULTON
Knight and Sarah DE FLETE, about 1213.1061 1066 Lambert was born circa
1200 in Moulton, Spalding, Lincolnshire, England and died before 16 Nov
1246 of Egremont, Cumberland, England.1061 1065

See the Lambert DE MULTON Lord of Egremont Entry for this Couple's
Children and Descendants.


13. Alice DE LUCY 588 1064 (Ada DE MORVILLE Co-heiress of Cumberland and
Westmorland 4, Hugh 'Assassin of Thomas a Becket' DE Forester of
Cumberland, Lord of Westmorland 3, Simon DE Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of
Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1207 in Egremont, Cumberland, England
and died before 24 Mar 1288 of Copeland, Cumberland, England.1064 Alice
married Alan DE MULTON (See Link for Ancestry),588 1064 son of (Sir)
Thomas II DE MULTON Knight and Sarah DE FLETE, before 1219.1064 Alan was
born circa 1205 in Moulton, Spalding, Lincolnshire, England and died
after 1250 of Copeland, Cumberland, England.1064

See the Alan DE MULTON Entry for this Couple's Children and Descendants.


15. Ada GERNON (Joanna DE MORVILLE Co-heiress of Cumberland 4, Hugh
'Assassin of Thomas a Becket' DE Forester of Cumberland, Lord of
Westmorland 3, Simon DE Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was
born circa 1225 in Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England and died about
1271 of Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England about age 46. Ada married
Ralph DE LEVINGTON circa 1240. Ralph was born circa 1220 in Levington,
England and died in Dec 1253 at age 33.

The Child from this marriage was:
19. i.  Daughter of LEVINGTON Heiress of Cumberland was born about
1248 of Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England and died about 1272 about
age 24.  Daughter married Eustace DE BALIOL circa 1270. Eustace was born
circa 1245. They had no children.

16. (Sir) Roger BERTRAM Lord Of Mitford 652 (William II BERTRAM Lord of
Mitford 4, Ada DE MORVILLE 3, Simon DE Knight ((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of
Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1190 of Mitford, Northumberland,
England and died after 14 Dec 1264 of Mitford, Northumberland,
England.541 Another name for Roger was Roger DE BERTRAM 1st Lord Bertram
Of Mitford. Roger married Joan (BERTRAM) UNKNOWN 652 circa 1208. Joan
was born circa 1210 and died about 1272 about age 62.

Children from this marriage were:

20. i.  Agnes BERTRAM 26 538 539 541 was born about 1210 in Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England 26 and died of Sprotborough,
Emley, Yorkshire, England.540
21. ii.  Isabel BERTRAM 652 1080 was born about 1213 in Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died 15 Jun 1281 about age
68. Another name for Isabel was Isabel DE BERTRAM.
22. iii.  (Sir) Roger BERTRAM Lord Of Mitford 646 652 was born circa
1216 in Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died 6 Mar
1272 of Mitford, Northumberland, England 541 at age 56. Another name for
Roger was Roger DE BERTRAM 2nd Lord Bertram Of Mitford.  Roger married
Ida DE ROS,646 651 daughter of Robert DE ROS 1st Lord of Wark and Mary
(Probable dau of William LONGESPEE & Ela of SALISBURY) UNKNOWN, circa
1250.646 Ida was born about 1232 in Wark Castle, Wark-on-Tweed,
Northumberland, England 651 and died about 1320 651 about age 88.
23. iv.  Christine BERTRAM 541 646 was born about 1219 in Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died after 1294.646 Another
name for Christine was Christian DE BERTRAM.  Christine married William
DE ROS,646 son of Robert DE ROS 1st Lord of Wark and Mary (Probable dau
of William LONGESPEE & Ela of SALISBURY) UNKNOWN, circa 1245.646 William
was born about 1230 in Wark Castle, Wark-on-Tweed, Northumberland,
England and died before 1270.646

Christine next married Robert PENBURY before 1291. Robert was born circa
1220 and died after 1291.
24. v.  Ada BERTRAM 541 was born about 1220 in Mitford Castle,
Morpeth, Northumberland, England. Another name for Ada was Ada DE
BERTRAM.

17. MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland
(Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE
Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1185
in Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland, died of Galloway, Dumfries
and Galloway, Scotland, and was buried in Abbey of Dundren,
Kirkcudbright, Scotland. MCAdvisor_Allan married Alice DE LACY Heiress
of Kippax, daughter of John 'de Lacy' FITZ RICHARD Constable of Chester,
Ancestor Lacy of Pontefract and Alice DE VERE, circa 1200. Alice was
born about 1182 in Kippax, Tedcaster, West Riding Yorkshire, England and
died before 1209 of Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland.

MCAdvisor_Allan next married Margaret Of SCOTLAND Heiress of
Harringworth (See Link for Ancestry), daughter of David Of SCOTLAND Earl
of Huntington and Maud 'of Chester' DE GUERNON, about 1209. Margaret was
born about 1193 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England and died about
1228 in Harringworth, Uppingham, Northamptonshire, England about age 35.
Another name for Margaret was Margaret Of HUNTINGDON.

Children from this marriage were:

25. i.  Helen Of GALLOWAY was born circa 1205 in Leuchars, Fifeshire,
Scotland and died of Winchester Castle, Winchester, Hamptonshire,
England.
26. ii.  Devorgilla Of GALLOWAY 1081 was born circa 1215 in
Fotheringhay Castle, Galloway, Scotland, died 28 Jan 1290 in Kemston,
Bedfordshire, England 1081 at age 75, and was buried in Sweetheart
Abbey, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.

18. Devorguilla Of GALLOWAY Heiress of Whissendine (Elena DE MORVILLE 4,
Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2,
Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born about 1195 in Galloway, Dumfries and
Galloway, Scotland and died in Whissendine, Oakham, Rutlandshire,
England. Devorguilla married Nicholas DE STUTEVILLE Baron of Liddell
Strength (See Link for Ancestry), son of Nicholas DE STUTEVILLE Lord of
Liddel and Gunnora D' AUBIGNY, circa 1215. Nicholas was born about 1192
in Liddel Castle, Newcastleton, Liddesdale, Scotland, died before 19 Oct
1233 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England, and was buried in
St. Andrew Priory, Yorkshire, England.

The Child from this marriage was:

27. i.  Joan DE STUTEVILLE 728 729 was born circa 1215 in Cottingham,
East Riding Yorkshire, England 729 and died before 6 Apr 1276 in Liddel
Castle, Newcastleton, Liddesdale, Scotland.729



Sixth Generation



20. Agnes BERTRAM 26 538 539 541 ((Sir) Roger BERTRAM Lord Of Mitford 5,
William II BERTRAM Lord of Mitford 4, Ada DE MORVILLE 3, Simon DE Knight
((Sir)) 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born about 1210 in Mitford
Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England 26 and died of Sprotborough,
Emley, Yorkshire, England.540 Another name for Agnes was Agnes DE
BERTRAM. Agnes married (Sir) Thomas FITZ WILLIAM 1st Lord of Emley (See
Link for Ancestry),26 538 539 son of (Sir) William FITZ WILLIAM Knight
and Ela 'Adela' DE WARENNE, circa 1225.540 Thomas was born about 1210 in
Prob Sprotborough, Emley, Yorkshire, England 26 and died before 1279 of
Sprotborough, Emley, Yorkshire, England.26

See the (Sir) Thomas FITZ WILLIAM 1st Lord of Emley Entry for this
Couple's Children and Descendants.


25. Helen Of GALLOWAY (MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY
Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of
Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1)
was born circa 1205 in Leuchars, Fifeshire, Scotland and died of
Winchester Castle, Winchester, Hamptonshire, England. Helen married
Roger DE QUINCY 2nd Earl of Winchester (See Link for Ancestry),1082 son
of MCSurety_Saher DE QUINCY 1st Earl Of Winchester and Margaret DE
BEAUMONT Heiress of Groby, circa 1215. Roger was born circa 1175 in
Winchester Castle, Winchester, Hampshire, England 1082 and died 25 Apr
1264 of Winchester Castle, Winchester, Hamptonshire, England 1082 at age
89.

Children from this marriage were:
28. i.  Ellen DE QUINCY 1082 1083 was born circa 1210 in Barony of
Leicester, Leicestershire, England 1082 1083 and died before 20 Aug 1296
of Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England.1082 1083
29. ii.  Margaret DE QUINCY 26 985 987 1002 was born circa 1220 in
Winchester, Hampshire, England 26 and died before 12 Mar 1281 in Groby,
Leicestershire, England.26 987 990

26. Devorgilla Of GALLOWAY 1081 (MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of
GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE
Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of
Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1215 in Fotheringhay Castle, Galloway,
Scotland, died 28 Jan 1290 in Kemston, Bedfordshire, England 1081 at age
75, and was buried in Sweetheart Abbey, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
Devorgilla married John I DE BALIOL Regent of Scotland (See Link for
Ancestry),1081 son of Hugh DE BALIOL Lord of Gainford and Cecily DE
FONTAINES, about 1233.1081 John was born circa 1210 in Bywell, Hexham,
Northumberland, England, died 12 Oct 1269 in Barnard Castle, Gainford,
Durham, England 1081 at age 59, and was buried in Sweetheart Abbey,
Dumfriesshire, Scotland.

Children from this marriage were:

30. i.  John II DE BALIOL King of Scotland [1292-1296] was born about
1240 in Barnard Castle, Gainford, Durham, England and died in Apr 1313
in Chateau Galliard, Normandy, France about age 73.
31. ii.  Cecily DE BALIOL 26 was born circa 1230 in Bernard Castle,
Gainford, Durham, England 26 and died before 1273 of Walkern,
Hertfordshire, England.26

27. Joan DE STUTEVILLE 728 729 (Devorguilla Of GALLOWAY Heiress of
Whissendine 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3,
Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born
circa 1215 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England 729 and died
before 6 Apr 1276 in Liddel Castle, Newcastleton, Liddesdale,
Scotland.729 Joan married (Sir) Hugh WAKE Lord of Bourne (See Link for
Ancestry),728 son of Baldwin WAKE Lord of Bourne and Isabel DE BRIWERE,
before 29 Mar 1229.728 Hugh was born about 1202 in Bourne, Lincoln,
Lincolnshire, England and died before 18 Dec 1241 in Died while on
crusade to the Holy Land.


See the (Sir) Hugh WAKE Lord of Bourne Entry for this Couple's Children
and Descendants.



Joan next married Hugh BIGOD Chief Justice of England (See Link for
Ancestry),26 729 son of MCSurety_Hugh BIGOD 5th Earl of Norfolk and Maud
MARSHALL, before 5 Feb 1243.729 Hugh was born circa 1215 in Framlingham
Castle, Suffolk, England 26 729 and died before 7 May 1266 of Thetford,
Norfolk. England.26 729

The Child from this marriage was:
32. i.  (Sir) Roger BIGOD 5th Earl of Norfolk 1084 was born about 1245
in Thetford, Norfolk, England and died about Dec 1306 in Framlingham
Castle, Suffolk, England about age 61.  Roger married Aline BASSET
Countess of Norfolk,1084 1085 1086 daughter of Philip BASSET Justiciar
Of England and Hawise DE LOUVAIN, after 1265.1084 Aline was born about
1246 in Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England 1085 1086 and died 11 Apr 1281
of Loughborough and Arnesby, Leicestershire, England 1085 1086 about age
35. They had no children.



Seventh Generation



28. Ellen DE QUINCY 1082 1083 (Helen Of GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan
'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4,
Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2,
Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1210 in Barony of Leicester,
Leicestershire, England 1082 1083 and died before 20 Aug 1296 of Ashby
de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England.1082 1083 Ellen married (Sir) Alan
LA ZOUCHE Justiciar of Ireland, Knight (See Link for Ancestry),26 1082
son of Roger LA ZOUCHE and Margaret BISET, before 1242 in Winchester,
Hampshire, England.1083 Alan was born about 1217 in Ashby de la Zouche,
Leicestershire, England 26 1082 and died 10 Aug 1271 of Ashby de la
Zouche, Leicestershire, England 26 1082 about age 54.

Children from this marriage were:
33. i.  (Sir) Roger LA ZOUCHE Knight 1082 1087 1088 1089 1090 was
born about 1241 in Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England 1082 and
died 15 Oct 1285 in Brockley, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England 1082
about age 44.
34. ii.  Margaret 'Margery' DE LA ZOUCHE was born circa 1245 in Ashby
de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England and died of Clavering, Saffron
Walden, Essex, England.

29. Margaret DE QUINCY 26 985 987 1002 (Helen Of GALLOWAY 6,
MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland 5, Elena
DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of
Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1220 in
Winchester, Hampshire, England 26 and died before 12 Mar 1281 in Groby,
Leicestershire, England.26 987 990 Margaret married William DE FERRERS
5th Earl of Derby (See Link for Ancestry),26 984 985 986 987 son of
William DE FERRERS 4th Earl Of Derby and Agnes 'le Meschin' DE GUERNON
Heiress of Chartley Castle, before 1238.978 987 990 991 William was born
about 1193 in Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England,26 988
died before 28 Mar 1254 in Evington, Billesdon, Leicestershire,
England,26 987 989 and was buried 31 Mar 1254 in Abbey of Merevale,
Warwickshire, England.26 987 990


See the William DE FERRERS 5th Earl of Derby Entry for this Couple's
Children and Descendants.


30. John II DE BALIOL King of Scotland [1292-1296] (Devorgilla Of
GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of
Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3,
Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born
about 1240 in Barnard Castle, Gainford, Durham, England and died in Apr
1313 in Chateau Galliard, Normandy, France about age 73. John married
Isabel DE WARENNE (See Link for Ancestry), daughter of John DE WARENNE
Earl Of Surrey and Alice DE LUSIGNAN. Isabel was born about 1253 in
Warren, Sussex, England.

The Child from this marriage was:
35. i.  Maud DE BALIOL Princess of Scotland was born about 1280 in
Barnard Castle, Gainford, Durham, England and died after 10 Apr 1340.

31. Cecily DE BALIOL 26 (Devorgilla Of GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz
Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4,
Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2,
Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born circa 1230 in Bernard Castle,
Gainford, Durham, England 26 and died before 1273 of Walkern,
Hertfordshire, England.26 Cecily married (Sir) John DE BURGH Baron
Lanvallei, Knight (See Link for Ancestry),26 son of (Sir) John DE BURGH
Knight and Hawise DE LANVALLEI Heiress of Walkern and Wakerly, circa
1250. John was born circa 1230 in Walkern, Hertfordshire, England 26 and
died before 3 Mar 1280 of Walkern, Hertfordshire, England.26


See the (Sir) John DE BURGH Baron Lanvallei, Knight Entry for this
Couple's Children and Descendants.



Eighth Generation



33. (Sir) Roger LA ZOUCHE Knight 1082 1087 1088 1089 1090 (Ellen DE
QUINCY 7, Helen Of GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY
Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of
Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1)
was born about 1241 in Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England 1082
and died 15 Oct 1285 in Brockley, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England 1082
about age 44. Roger married Ela LE LONGESPEE (See Link for
Ancestry),1082 1087 1088 1091 1092 1093 daughter of Stephen
'Plantagenet' LE LONGESPEE Justiciar of Ireland, Earl Of Ulster and
Emmeline DE RIDELISFORD, before 19 Jul 1267.1082 Ela was born about 1246
in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England 1082 and died before 19 Jul 1276.1082

The Child from this marriage was:
36. i.  (Sir) Alan LA ZOUCHE 1st Lord Zouche, Knight 1091 1094 1095
1096 1097 was born 9 Oct 1267 in North Malton, Devonshire, England,1097
died 25 Mar 1314 of Brackley, Northamptonshire, England 1097 at age 46,
and was buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.1097

34. Margaret 'Margery' DE LA ZOUCHE (Ellen DE QUINCY 7, Helen Of
GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of
Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3,
Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born
circa 1245 in Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England and died of
Clavering, Saffron Walden, Essex, England. Margaret married (Sir) Robert
FITZ ROGER Lord of Clavering (See Link for Ancestry), son of Roger FITZ
JOHN Lord of Warkworth and Clavering and Isabel DE DUNBAR, circa 1264.
Robert was born circa 1245 in Warkworth Castle, Alnwick, Northumberland,
England and died before 20 Apr 1310 in Clavering, Saffron Walden, Essex,
England.


See the (Sir) Robert FITZ ROGER Lord of Clavering Entry for this
Couple's Children and Descendants.


35. Maud DE BALIOL Princess of Scotland (John II DE BALIOL King of
Scotland [1292-1296] 7, Devorgilla Of GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz
Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4,
Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2,
Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born about 1280 in Barnard Castle,
Gainford, Durham, England and died after 10 Apr 1340. Maud married (Sir)
Brian III FITZ ALAN Lord of Bedale (See Link for Ancestry), son of Alan
FITZ ALAN Lord of Bedale and Agnes FITZ RANDOLPH, before 2 Jul 1297.
Brian was born about 1260 in Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England,
died 1 Jun 1306 in Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England about age
46, and was buried in Bedale Church, North Riding, Yorkshire, England.

Children from this marriage were:
37. i.  Agnes FITZ ALAN Heiress of Bedale was born about 1298 in
Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England and died before 3 Nov 1348 of
Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England.
38. ii.  Catherine FITZ ALAN was born about 1300 in Bedale, North
Riding, Yorkshire, England and died before Aug 1328.  Catherine married
(Sir) John DE GREY KG, 2nd Lord of Rotherfierd before 27 Dec 1317. John
was born 9 Oct 1300 in Rotherfield Castle, Henley-on-Thames,
Oxfordshire, England and died in Rotherfield Castle, Henley-on-Thames,
Oxfordshire, England.



Ninth Generation



36. (Sir) Alan LA ZOUCHE 1st Lord Zouche, Knight 1091 1094 1095 1096
1097 ((Sir) Roger LA ZOUCHE Knight 8, Ellen DE QUINCY 7, Helen Of
GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of
Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3,
Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born 9
Oct 1267 in North Malton, Devonshire, England,1097 died 25 Mar 1314 of
Brackley, Northamptonshire, England 1097 at age 46, and was buried in
Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.1097 Alan married Eleanor DE
SEGRAVE,1097 daughter of (Sir) Nicholas DE SEGRAVE 1st Lord Segrave and
Maud DE LUCY, circa 1290.1097 Eleanor was born circa 1270 in Segrave,
Leicestershire, England 1097 and died of Brackley, Northamptonshire,
England.1097

The Child from this marriage was:
39. i.  Maud LA ZOUCHE Heiress of Brackley 523 was born about 1290 in
Ashby Magna, Leicestershire, England,523 died 31 May 1349 of Upholland,
Lancastershire, England 523 about age 59, and was buried in Brackley,
Northamptonshire, England.523

37. Agnes FITZ ALAN Heiress of Bedale (Maud DE BALIOL Princess of
Scotland 8, John II DE BALIOL King of Scotland [1292-1296] 7, Devorgilla
Of GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY Constable of
Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of Scotland 3,
Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1) was born
about 1298 in Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England and died before 3
Nov 1348 of Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England. Agnes married
(Sir) Gilbert DE STAPLETON Escheator of England (See Link for Ancestry),
son of (Sir) Miles DE STAPLETON MP, Knight, 1st Baron Stapleton and
Sybill 'Isabella' DE BELLEW Heiress of Carlton, cor 1320. Gilbert was
born about 1291 in Manor of Stapleton, North Riding, Yorkshire, England
and died before 23 Jun 1324 in Bedale, North Riding, Yorkshire, England.


See the (Sir) Gilbert DE STAPLETON Escheator of England Entry for this
Couple's Children and Descendants.



Tenth Generation



39. Maud LA ZOUCHE Heiress of Brackley 523 ((Sir) Alan LA ZOUCHE 1st
Lord Zouche, Knight 9, (Sir) Roger LA ZOUCHE Knight 8, Ellen DE QUINCY
7, Helen Of GALLOWAY 6, MCAdvisor_Allan 'Fitz Roland' Of GALLOWAY
Constable of Scotland 5, Elena DE MORVILLE 4, Richard DE Constable of
Scotland 3, Hugh DE Constable of Scotland 2, Hugh 'of Kirkoswald' DE 1)
was born about 1290 in Ashby Magna, Leicestershire, England,523 died 31
May 1349 of Upholland, Lancastershire, England 523 about age 59, and was
buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.523 Maud married (Sir)
Robert DE HOLAND 1st Lord Holland, Knight (See Link for Ancestry),523
son of Robert DE HOLAND and Elizabeth DE SAMLESBURY, circa 1310. Robert
was born about 1283 in Upholland, Lancastershire, England,523 died 7 Oct
1328 in Beheaded for betrayal of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster 523 about age
45, and was buried in Grey Friars Church, Preston, Lancashire,
England.523

See the (Sir) Robert DE HOLAND 1st Lord Holland, Knight Entry for this
Couple's Children and Descendants.




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Name Fergus De Galloway, lord of Galloway  [3, 4]
Suffix lord of Galloway
Born 1090 Galloway, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Gender Male
1940 US Census Abt 1092 Of Talby, Yorkshire, England
Name De Galloway
Name De Galloway
Name Fergus De Molle
Name Fergus Fitz Maldred De Galloway
Name Fergus, Lord Of Galloway
Died 12 May 1166 Holyrood Abbey, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland   [4]
Age 76 years
Person ID I180399 Full Tree

Father Maldred or Moddan Of Scotland Fitz Crinan, lord of Allerdale,
b. 1009, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland ,   d. 1045, Dunkeld, Perthshire,
Scotland   Age: 36 years
Mother Ealdgyth or Aeglithia or Agatha Of Northumbria, *,   b. Bef
1016, Of Northumbria, England ,   d. , , Scotland
Married Abt 1035 Argyle, Scotland   [3, 5, 6]
Family ID F73696 Group Sheet

Family Elizabeth Joan Fitz Henry Of Gloucester, princess of England,
b. 1084, Of Talby, Yorkshire, England ,   d. 1161, Holyrood Abbey,
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland   Age: 77 years
Married Abt 1124 of Carrick, Ayrshire, Scotland   [3, 7, 8]
Children
> 1. Uchtred De Molle, lord of Galloway,   b. 1125, Galloway,
> Wigtownshire, Scotland ,   d. 22 Sep 1174, Loch Fergus, Scotland
> Age: 49 years
  2. Affreca De Galloway,   b. Abt 1110,   d. Yes, date unknown
> 3. Gilbert De Galloway, lord of Galloway,   b. Abt 1098, Galloway,
> Wigtownshire, Scotland ,   d. 1 Jan 1184-1185, Carrick, Argyllshire,
> Scotland   Age: ~ 87 years
> 4. Margaret Of Galloway,   b. Galloway, Wigtownshire, Scotland ,   d.
> Yes, date unknown
  5. Bethoc Mac Fergus De Galloway,   b. Abt 1124, Row Castle,
Galloway, Bedrule Parish, Scotland ,   d. Yes, date unknown
Last Modified 17 Aug 2010
Family ID F71199 Group Sheet

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Born - 1090 - Galloway, Wigtownshire, Scotland
1940 US Census - Abt 1092 - Of Talby, Yorkshire, England
Child - Gilbert De Galloway, lord of Galloway - Abt 1098 - Galloway,
Wigtownshire, Scotland
Married - Abt 1124 - of Carrick, Ayrshire, Scotland
Child - Bethoc Mac Fergus De Galloway - Abt 1124 - Row Castle,
Galloway, Bedrule Parish, Scotland
Child - Uchtred De Molle, lord of Galloway - 1125 - Galloway,
Wigtownshire, Scotland
Died - 12 May 1166 - Holyrood Abbey, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
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Notes
Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (12A:26), he is trteated in SP IV
135-137.

SP says that Fergus is the first lord or prince of Galloway on record
(p.135). SP knows of no ancestry for Fergus. He is first mentioned on 7
July 1136 as a witness to a charter of David I. He died in 1161 at
Holyrood Abbey as a monk (p.136).
Died As A Monk At Holyrood Abbey.
Witness To A Charter Of David I Of Scotland.

Sources
[S1659] Human Family Project, Mary Slawson, Chair, (Copyright January
2006).

[S1534] Joseph Smith, Sr. & Lucy Mack Foundation, Mike Kennedy,
((http://www.josephsmithsr.com : 31 Oct 2008)).

[S1208] University of Hull Royal Database England, Brian Tompsett, Dept
of Computer Science, (copyright 1996 , , Repository: WWW, University of
Hull, Hull, UK HU6 7RX bct@tardis.ed.ac.uk usually reliable but
sometimes includes hypothetical lines, mythological figures, etc).

[S1200] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to
America bef 1760, Frederick Lewis Weis, (7th ed Genealogical Publishing,
Baltimore 1992 , , Repository: J.H. Garner Same ref source as earlier
ed, "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists who Came to New England 1623-1650"
ed 1-6 good to very good), line 38 pp 41-42 (Reliability: 0).

[S1198] Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori", (P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803 ,
, Repository: Hardcopy notes of Lori Garner Elmore. Her sources
included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's
Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents,
Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous othe r reference works"
very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's).

[S1200] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to
America bef 1760, Frederick Lewis Weis, (7th ed Genealogical Publishing,
Baltimore 1992 , , Repository: J.H. Garner Same ref source as earlier
ed, "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists who Came to New England 1623-1650"
ed 1-6 good to very good), line 34 pp 37-38, line 172 p 149
(Reliability: 0).

[S1213] Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy, Alison Weir,
(rev. ed, Pimlico Random House, London 1989, 1996 , , Repository: J.H.
Garner), p 49 (Reliability: 0).

[S1200] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to
America bef 1760, Frederick Lewis Weis, (7th ed Genealogical Publishing,
Baltimore 1992 , , Repository: J.H. Garner Same ref source as earlier
ed, "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists who Came to New England 1623-1650"
ed 1-6 good to very good), line 38 pp 41-42, line 121B p 108
(Reliability: 0).
- See more at:
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/getperson.php?personID=I180399&tree=00#sthash.MxKxHauG.dpuf







The Monks of Kelso
In addition to the land held in the name of the church, the monks of
Kelso owned huge tracts of land.
Lady Eschina of Molle, in the mid thirteenth century, granted to Kelso
Abbey the lands of Hethou, bounded

'as the water descends from the fountain called Bradestrother, between
Hethou and Faveside, and as far as the rivulet which descends from
Wester-hethoudene; along that rivulet as far as the passage of the upper
ford of the same rivulet, next to Crag, and so across Hathoudene,
eastwards, as the crosses have been placed, and the ditches have been
made, and the furrow has been drawn, and the stones have been set, as
far as the rivulet of Easter Hethou; and from the ford of the same
rivulet ascending as the wood and arable land meet above Halreberge, and
so eastward, as far as Grenelle, near the white stone, as far as the
foresaid head of the fountain of Bradestrother; with a certain portion
of land beyond the rivulet of Hethou, westward as far as Blyndwell, as
the meadow and arable land meet, descending as far as the foresaid
rivulet of Hethou.'

This was sufficent land to allow pasture for 400 sheep, 16 cattle, 2
work-horses and 12 swine.

In 1198, or thereabouts, she added

'pasture for twenty cows and their calves, till the latter were grown
up. and also one bull, part of a meadow which lay between Eddredesete
and the rivulet of Ruhope, as far as the water of Blakepool; and that
portion of land which lay above the bank of the Bolbent, opposite
Blakepool; and the croft lying in the north side of the house of William
the Forester, under the hill, and gave up every claim which she might
have on the mill'

Before 1249, her daughter Cecilia, with the consent of her husband, gave
the monks the toft and croft which belonged to William of Mollehope
(Mowhaugh), on the moors near to the outlet at Whitelaw, on the English
border; and 26 acres of the demesne lands of Molle which were arable. In
addition she gave them large parcels of land all over the area which are
detailed in the Liber de Calchou. They were also granted the use of
sheepfolds and free passage. The monks could also remove materials from
the woods of Persouth to make their ploughs and fences.

After her death, Sir Gilbert Avenel confirmed all these grants, and
asked the feudal overlord of Molle, Eustace de Vesci, to confirm the
monks in all these possessions.

Pope Innocent IV also confirmed the grants before 1254, and Henry of
Halyburton did the same in 1270.

Anselm of Molle, about 1190, granted to the monks of Kelso

'all the land and meadow and wood in the territory of Molle, which was
on the east side of Erndbrandesdene - namely, from the bounds of the
lands of the monks of Mailros, by the direct path as far as
Erndbrandesdene, as far as the ford of Bolbent, which included all the
lands and the wood and the meadow which extended from these bounds to
the eastward, as far as the counds of the church-lands of Molle, and
upwards towards Hunedene; all Hulcheshou, in wood, plain, and pasture,
except one acre of land which he gave to Walter the Mason.'

 From Richard, son of Anselm, they got the tilth of Ladladde, containing
eight acres and a rood. Richard of Lincoln, who had married Anselm's
daughter, Matildis, confirmed the grant , and added an acre of land.

About 1200, Isolde, Anselm's younger daughter, with the consent of her
husband, Alexander, gave the monks an oxgang of land which lay on the
east side near the land which Henry the Fat held of Richard Scott, with
the pertinents thereof.

In 1255, Richard, the son of Richard of Lincoln, gave them twenty acres
of arable land and meadow in Mollehope, which the canons of Jedworde
held of him in ferme, and pasture for sixty sheep and four cows,
wheresoever they pleased, in all his lands of Molle, except cornland and
meadow, for the term of ten years after Whitsunday 1258, for ten merks
yearly.

In 1260, Matildis, wife of Richard of Lincoln, in her free widowhood,
'forgave to the monks all causes and complaints which she had or could
have against them, their men, and their servants.' She also granted the
monks all the lands which they held in ferme from her late husband in
Molle,

'to possess the same without claim or hinderance, on the condition that
they should find her son William in victuals, along with the better and
more worthy scholars in their poor's house, as long as they retained the
said lands in their hands.'

About 1300, Adam de Roule and his wife Johanna Halyburton, granted the
monks

'four acres of land in the tenement of Molle, which lay in the upper
part of Stapelaw, to be held so as they were not entitled to claim any
commonty within their demesne lands of Molle, for which grant the monks
received the granters into their prayers, and engaged to celebrate one
mass weekly for their souls.'

As can be seen from all the above much of the land of Molle was in the
keeping of the monks of Kelso, either granted or leased. The main usage
was obviously for the grazing of sheep on the hill slopes, with lesser
areas for cattle, as the better arable land appears to have been kept by
the owners.

The Monks of Melrose
The monks of Mailros also obtained valuable grants in this manor.
Anselm of Molle, before 1185, granted them

'the whole of his petary, which was between Mollehope, Bereop, and
Herdstrete, which separated the lands of Molle from Hunum and his wood
of Mollope, as much brushwood as one horse could carry to their grange
of Hunedune, every year between Easter and the Nativity of St Mary.'

This granting of the right to collect firewood and the right to cut peat
was essential to the viability of any establishment in which those
monks, who looked after the stock in these hills, lived. The mention of
the grange at Hunedune (Hownamlaw) is very interesting as there is of
course still a farm called Hownam Grange, where the Thomson family raise
their prize-winning Border Leicesters.

Anselm also granted to them

'that portion of land in the territory of Molle which was next their
land on the south of the hill of Hunedune, and on the east bounded by
the road from that hill to Molle, which road lay between the foresaid
land and the church-lands of Molle, as far as a fountain on the west
side of Kippemoder, as far as certain large stones of the old building,
which stood upon a small ridge on the south side of the land called
Cruche. Afterwards, the boundary descended along the same ridge to the
south side of the same Cruche, as far as the rivulet between the lands
of Hunum and Molle.'

In 1236, Walter, grandson of the first Walter the Steward, granted to
the same monks

'all the lands in Molle which he had in the fief of Sir William de
Vesci, and all rights competent to him, in exchange for Freertun, which
formerly belonged to the nuns of Southberwick, with 200 merks in boot.'

About the same time, Alexander II erected the lands which the monks held
in Molle into a free forest.

About 1258, the monks purchased Hungerigge from Adam of Hetune.

William of Sproveston (Sprouston), about 1285, gave the monks of Mailros

'that part of the lands of Altonburne which he had obtained from John de
Vescy, his overlord.'

They also had the lands of Uggings.

The Monks of Paisley
About 1157, the wife of Walter the Steward, gave them
'a ploughgate of land in the west part of Blackdene, according to the
boundaries measured to them at her command by Eldief, provost of the
town of Moll, viz, as the Stelnaburn falls into the Blackburn, and along
that stream as far as two stones lying near the bank opposite the house
of Ulf the steward, on the west; as far up as a certain ditch, and two
stones standing in that ditch; and from these stones as far as another
ditch heaped with stones, to another ditch also heaped with stones, and
from thence to heselensahe, which goes as far as the ford of the torrent
of Alembarke; from thence to the ford of Stelanburn, and down that
stream to the Blackburn; four acres and three roods in the towne of
Molle, with common pasture belonging to one ploughgate. She also granted
them pasture for 500 sheep.'

The monks let their ploughgate to Robert Maleverer for payment of
half-a-merk of silver.

In 1396, Robert III granted to the monks the lands which they held in
this territory, as part of the regality of Paisley.

The Canons of Jedburgh
Prior to 1255, the canons of Jedburgh had held the twenty acres which
were then granted to the monks of Kelso.
More: Other Recorded Landowners in Molle



The Monks of Kelso
In addition to the land held in the name of the church, the monks of
Kelso owned huge tracts of land.
Lady Eschina of Molle, in the mid thirteenth century, granted to Kelso
Abbey the lands of Hethou, bounded

'as the water descends from the fountain called Bradestrother, between
Hethou and Faveside, and as far as the rivulet which descends from
Wester-hethoudene; along that rivulet as far as the passage of the upper
ford of the same rivulet, next to Crag, and so across Hathoudene,
eastwards, as the crosses have been placed, and the ditches have been
made, and the furrow has been drawn, and the stones have been set, as
far as the rivulet of Easter Hethou; and from the ford of the same
rivulet ascending as the wood and arable land meet above Halreberge, and
so eastward, as far as Grenelle, near the white stone, as far as the
foresaid head of the fountain of Bradestrother; with a certain portion
of land beyond the rivulet of Hethou, westward as far as Blyndwell, as
the meadow and arable land meet, descending as far as the foresaid
rivulet of Hethou.'

This was sufficent land to allow pasture for 400 sheep, 16 cattle, 2
work-horses and 12 swine.

In 1198, or thereabouts, she added

'pasture for twenty cows and their calves, till the latter were grown
up. and also one bull, part of a meadow which lay between Eddredesete
and the rivulet of Ruhope, as far as the water of Blakepool; and that
portion of land which lay above the bank of the Bolbent, opposite
Blakepool; and the croft lying in the north side of the house of William
the Forester, under the hill, and gave up every claim which she might
have on the mill'

Before 1249, her daughter Cecilia, with the consent of her husband, gave
the monks the toft and croft which belonged to William of Mollehope
(Mowhaugh), on the moors near to the outlet at Whitelaw, on the English
border; and 26 acres of the demesne lands of Molle which were arable. In
addition she gave them large parcels of land all over the area which are
detailed in the Liber de Calchou. They were also granted the use of
sheepfolds and free passage. The monks could also remove materials from
the woods of Persouth to make their ploughs and fences.

After her death, Sir Gilbert Avenel confirmed all these grants, and
asked the feudal overlord of Molle, Eustace de Vesci, to confirm the
monks in all these possessions.

Pope Innocent IV also confirmed the grants before 1254, and Henry of
Halyburton did the same in 1270.

Anselm of Molle, about 1190, granted to the monks of Kelso

'all the land and meadow and wood in the territory of Molle, which was
on the east side of Erndbrandesdene - namely, from the bounds of the
lands of the monks of Mailros, by the direct path as far as
Erndbrandesdene, as far as the ford of Bolbent, which included all the
lands and the wood and the meadow which extended from these bounds to
the eastward, as far as the counds of the church-lands of Molle, and
upwards towards Hunedene; all Hulcheshou, in wood, plain, and pasture,
except one acre of land which he gave to Walter the Mason.'

 From Richard, son of Anselm, they got the tilth of Ladladde, containing
eight acres and a rood. Richard of Lincoln, who had married Anselm's
daughter, Matildis, confirmed the grant , and added an acre of land.

About 1200, Isolde, Anselm's younger daughter, with the consent of her
husband, Alexander, gave the monks an oxgang of land which lay on the
east side near the land which Henry the Fat held of Richard Scott, with
the pertinents thereof.

In 1255, Richard, the son of Richard of Lincoln, gave them twenty acres
of arable land and meadow in Mollehope, which the canons of Jedworde
held of him in ferme, and pasture for sixty sheep and four cows,
wheresoever they pleased, in all his lands of Molle, except cornland and
meadow, for the term of ten years after Whitsunday 1258, for ten merks
yearly.

In 1260, Matildis, wife of Richard of Lincoln, in her free widowhood,
'forgave to the monks all causes and complaints which she had or could
have against them, their men, and their servants.' She also granted the
monks all the lands which they held in ferme from her late husband in
Molle,

'to possess the same without claim or hinderance, on the condition that
they should find her son William in victuals, along with the better and
more worthy scholars in their poor's house, as long as they retained the
said lands in their hands.'

About 1300, Adam de Roule and his wife Johanna Halyburton, granted the
monks

'four acres of land in the tenement of Molle, which lay in the upper
part of Stapelaw, to be held so as they were not entitled to claim any
commonty within their demesne lands of Molle, for which grant the monks
received the granters into their prayers, and engaged to celebrate one
mass weekly for their souls.'

As can be seen from all the above much of the land of Molle was in the
keeping of the monks of Kelso, either granted or leased. The main usage
was obviously for the grazing of sheep on the hill slopes, with lesser
areas for cattle, as the better arable land appears to have been kept by
the owners.

The Monks of Melrose
The monks of Mailros also obtained valuable grants in this manor.
Anselm of Molle, before 1185, granted them

'the whole of his petary, which was between Mollehope, Bereop, and
Herdstrete, which separated the lands of Molle from Hunum and his wood
of Mollope, as much brushwood as one horse could carry to their grange
of Hunedune, every year between Easter and the Nativity of St Mary.'

This granting of the right to collect firewood and the right to cut peat
was essential to the viability of any establishment in which those
monks, who looked after the stock in these hills, lived. The mention of
the grange at Hunedune (Hownamlaw) is very interesting as there is of
course still a farm called Hownam Grange, where the Thomson family raise
their prize-winning Border Leicesters.

Anselm also granted to them

'that portion of land in the territory of Molle which was next their
land on the south of the hill of Hunedune, and on the east bounded by
the road from that hill to Molle, which road lay between the foresaid
land and the church-lands of Molle, as far as a fountain on the west
side of Kippemoder, as far as certain large stones of the old building,
which stood upon a small ridge on the south side of the land called
Cruche. Afterwards, the boundary descended along the same ridge to the
south side of the same Cruche, as far as the rivulet between the lands
of Hunum and Molle.'

In 1236, Walter, grandson of the first Walter the Steward, granted to
the same monks

'all the lands in Molle which he had in the fief of Sir William de
Vesci, and all rights competent to him, in exchange for Freertun, which
formerly belonged to the nuns of Southberwick, with 200 merks in boot.'

About the same time, Alexander II erected the lands which the monks held
in Molle into a free forest.

About 1258, the monks purchased Hungerigge from Adam of Hetune.

William of Sproveston (Sprouston), about 1285, gave the monks of Mailros

'that part of the lands of Altonburne which he had obtained from John de
Vescy, his overlord.'

They also had the lands of Uggings.

The Monks of Paisley
About 1157, the wife of Walter the Steward, gave them
'a ploughgate of land in the west part of Blackdene, according to the
boundaries measured to them at her command by Eldief, provost of the
town of Moll, viz, as the Stelnaburn falls into the Blackburn, and along
that stream as far as two stones lying near the bank opposite the house
of Ulf the steward, on the west; as far up as a certain ditch, and two
stones standing in that ditch; and from these stones as far as another
ditch heaped with stones, to another ditch also heaped with stones, and
from thence to heselensahe, which goes as far as the ford of the torrent
of Alembarke; from thence to the ford of Stelanburn, and down that
stream to the Blackburn; four acres and three roods in the towne of
Molle, with common pasture belonging to one ploughgate. She also granted
them pasture for 500 sheep.'

The monks let their ploughgate to Robert Maleverer for payment of
half-a-merk of silver.

In 1396, Robert III granted to the monks the lands which they held in
this territory, as part of the regality of Paisley.

The Canons of Jedburgh
Prior to 1255, the canons of Jedburgh had held the twenty acres which
were then granted to the monks of Kelso.
More: Other Recorded Landowners in Molle

Fourth Email

American Great Seal

Note: Furgus of Molle's of Galloway, his brother Richard de Morrville
1st lord of Dunbar. His daughter Edgitha of Cumberland married Eldred De
Lancaster. There are tight circles, Kings, Bishops, Monks, French with
the same name of the Burgs of Sands, being De Morville, married into the
direct circle that associates the families to Mow, Molle with Eschena,
Uchtreds, Anselm/Scotts, links to origins of the establishment of
Templarism in Scotland, definitely associated to them.


Do not forget that the American Great Seal maker Scott, is to one of
these direct males. Want to see the ancient symbolism preserved in the
1610? Or the history of their symbolism in United States many official
and art relics. They used Mithra symbolism, in the 1610's from Persia!


This research had allowed me to same very important United States and
Scottish history, English and Irish history, French relics are far more
devalued above American and Scottish relics associated, that are already
devalued. If I am fortunate, I can save families identities well and
relics with lost history associated. 


Let me know your take on the history, can any of these families
history's be restored? My fathers can be documented to Sicily, 800 Paris
governor, linked to the Norman King and son. Then they were there in
Paris fighting Romans, masters of ships that went everywhere with
antiquity. They were Metal Masters, coins, weapons and chariots. Most
important chariots found in UK and sword of Celtics, Parisii of
Yorkshire. King Richard from the parking lot, his is said to be 100%
Parisii of Yorkshire. Other people I know in the DNA world who document
families of such. Say he is 100% Parisii decent? 


 Mr. McIntry, my daughters are Hopkins of the ancient church, admiralty
and of Whitehall. They have a very important grandfather who was
Governor-Capt John Scott. His fathers identity was kept from him, he was
given his true name and had powerful given to him, he was Privateer
also! let me know if you want to see Jacobite/Templar symbolism art,
either American or Scottish?


He is a Buccleuch or a Stuart 

Fifth Email

Alen fitz walter high steward married Margaret De Galloway. Alen is Lady
Eschena's son and Margaret is King Fergus daughter! Did you know that
one? Fergus, son Uchtred gave the land of Kilwinning to the monks!
Hugh/Richard de Morville, given a charter by James London=?Henry London
family? Hugh of the sands, is lord Cunningham high Constable of
Scotland, who builds Kilwinning. You will like this one on the name De
Morville, why was Fergus brother Richard de Morville, given this same
name as Huge de Morville. We know that Fergus and Huge de Morville share
the identical arms of the silver lion on a blue shield? Why though?
Aside of the Royals doing their marriages, whats so important about
Huge/Richard family of Normandy? Has to do with who he is, or he would
not have such power given to him!

Read what I attached about Beatrice de Beauchamp married to Hugh De
Morville, is this correct on the 2nd attachment? Meaning that they
address the name of who may be the relation to someone never identitied
with direct links to the origins of being maybe Huges De Payne, Knights
Templar first grandmaster link? Maybe!

Gary Gianotti


Family Links
Spouses/Children:
Beatrice de Beauchamp

Richard de Morville Constable of Scotland, Lord of Cunningham+
Maud de Morville+
Ada de Morville+
Hugo de Morville Constable of Scotland

Born: Abt 1100, Morville in Manche, Normandy
Marriage: Beatrice de Beauchamp
Died: 1162, Scotland about age 62 783
   General Notes:


Morville is from Morville, a few kilometres south-west of Brix, and the
Morvilles were prominent tenants on the Honour of Huntingdon.


   Information about this person:

• Background Information. 783
Morville is the surname of a high feudal family of Anglo-Norman origin.
It supposedly was taken from a village of Morville which lies on the
water of Aire, in the province of NOTE:Picardy, France.

The fist person recorded with this name in Scotland is Hugh de Morville.
He came from the Burgh on the Sands, in Cumberland, sometimes around
1100, and acquired extensive possessions in Tweeddale, Lauderdale, the
Lothianas, Clyesdale, and especially in Cunningham, Ayrshire. He also
held the hereditary office of lord-high-constable of the kingdom. He was
a witness to Inquisitis Daridis, 1116.

In 1140, Hugh de Morville founded the abbey of Kilwinning, in
Cunningham. In 1150, he founded Dryburgh abbey. He died in 1162. By his
wife, Beatrice de Beauchamp, he is said to have acquired still greater
possession than his own. He had a son,Richard de Morvill, and a daughter
who married Richard de Germin.

~The Scottish nation: The Scottish Nation: Or, The Surnames, Families,
Literature, Honours, and Biographical History of the People of Scotland,
Vol. III, pages 730-731

• Background Information.
Hugh de Morville was the son (or possibly grandson of Simon de Morville
and Ada, daughter and heiress of William de Engaine, lord of Burgh by
Sands. Maud and Ada de Morville were the children of this Hugh, the
Constable, and both married ino the social millieu of Anglo-Norman
England. By 1171, Ada was the wife of Roger Betram, lord of Miltford In
Northumberland. Maud married William Vieuxpont, whose family held
important estates in Scotland, England and Normandy.

Information found in two snippets on GoogleBooks:

Lanzelet, by Ulrich von Zataikhove, Thomas Kerth
Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland, by Keith John Stringer


Hugo married Beatrice de Beauchamp, daughter of Robert de Beauchamp and
Unknown.


Comments
My New Mexico Roots & Native Roots - My New Mexico Roots - My link to
the New England Pilgrim settlers & their link to a Web of English
Ancestors
© Nancy López

Family Links
Spouses/Children:
Unknown

Payne Beauchamp Lord of Bedford+
Beatrice de Beauchamp+
Miles de Beauchamp
Robert de Beauchamp

Born: Abt 1081, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
Marriage: Unknown
   Information about this person:

• Background Information: Victoria County History A History of the
County of Bedfordshire, Vol. III. 1200
Hugh de Beauchamp's successor was Simon de Beauchamp, in all probability
his son, (Dugdale's version which makes Simon the elder and Payn the
younger son of Hugh de Beauchamp is not compatible with documentary
evidence and has been discarded.) who had succeeded some time before
1114, about which date he was overlord of Robert de Brienne and others
in Bedfordshire. [Cart. Mon. de Rames. (Rolls Ser.), i, 83, 143] His
death took place c. 1137, when he left a daughter as heir. [Hist. Eccl.
Orderici Vitalis, 966] The following year the castle is found in the
possession of Miles de Beauchamp, described as one of the sons of Robert
de Beauchamp, [Ibid.; Gesta Steph.(Rolls Ser.), iii, 30] who is presumed
to be a younger brother of Simon de Beauchamp.

~V.C.H., A History of the County of Bedford, Vol. III, pp 9-15


Name[edit]

Most of the primary sources for his life are in Latin or medieval
French. In French his name usually appears as Hugues de Payens or Payns
(French pronunciation: ​[yɡ də pɛ̃]). His earliest certain appearance in
documents is under the part-Latin, part-French name Hugo de Peans
(1120–1125; details below). Later Latin sources call him Hugo de
Paganis. In English works he often appears as Hugh de Payns, in Italian
sometimes as Ugo de' Pagani.

Origin and early life[edit]

No early biography of Hugues de Payens exists, nor do later writers cite
such a biography. None of the sources on his later career give details
of his early life. Information is therefore scanty and uncertain;
embellishments depend partly on documents that may not refer to the same
individual, partly on histories written decades or even centuries after
his death.

The earliest source that pins down a geographical origin for the later
Grand Master is the Old French translation of William of Tyre's History
of Events Beyond the Sea. The Latin text calls him simply Hugo de
Paganis,[1] but the French translation, dated to c. 1200, describes him
as Hues de Paiens delez Troies ("Hugh of Payens near Troyes"),[2] a
reference to the village ofPayns, about 10 km from Troyes, in Champagne
(eastern France).

In early documents of that region Hugo de Pedano, Montiniaci dominus is
mentioned as a witness to a donation by Count Hugh of Champagne in a
document of 1085–90, indicating that the man was at least sixteen by
this date—a legal adult and thus able to bear witness to legal
documents—and so born no later than 1070. The same name appears on a
number of other charters up to 1113 also relating to Count Hugh of
Champagne, suggesting that Hugo de Pedano or Hugo dominus de Peanz was a
member of the Count's court. By the year 1113 he was married to
Elizabeth de Chappes, who bore him at least one child, Thibaud, later
abbot of Abbaye de la Colombe|la Colombe at Sens. The documents span
Hugues' lifetime and the disposition of his property after his death.[3]

The one belated statement that the founder of the Knights Templars came
from "Payns near Troyes" has some circumstantial confirmation. Bernard
of Clairvaux, who favoured the Order and helped to compose its Latin
Rule, also had the support of Hugh of Champagne. The Latin Rule of the
Order was confirmed at the Council of Troyes in 1129. A Templar
commandery was eventually built at Payns.[4] Some scholars have however
looked for Hugues' origins elsewhere. There was an early claim that he
came from the Vivarais (the district of Viviers in the modern
département of Ardèche).[5] Hugues has also been identified with Hug de
Pinós, third son of Galceran I, lord of Pinós in Catalonia;[6] however,
Galceran married only in 1090, far too late a date for him to be the
father of the founder of the Knights Templars.[7]

There is also a claim that Hugues de Payens or Ugo de' Pagani came from
Nocera de' Pagani in Campania, southern Italy. Reference to Nocera as
his birthplace is found at least as early as Baedeker's Southern Italy
(1869)[8] and is also found in the Old Catholic Encyclopedia.[9] Two
more recent writers say that the theory is supported by a letter that
Hugues wrote from Palestine in 1103, in which he talked of writing to
"my father in Nocera" to tell him of the death of his cousin
Alessandro.[10][11]

The foundation of the Order[edit]

Count Hugh of Champagne made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1104–07
and visited Jerusalem for a second time in 1114–16. It is probable that
he was accompanied by Hugues de Payens, who remained there after the
Count returned to France as there is a charter with "Hugonis de Peans"
in the witness list from Jerusalem in 1120 and again in 1123. In 1125
his name appears again as a witness to a donation, this time accompanied
by the title "magister militum Templi" ("Master of the Knights of the
Temple"). He most likely obtained approval for the Order from King
Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Warmund, Patriarch of Jerusalem at the
Council of Nablus in 1120.[12]

One early chronicler, Simon de St. Bertin, implies that the Knights
Templar originated earlier, before the death of Godfrey of Bouillon in
1100: "While he [Godfrey] was reigning magnificently, some had decided
not to return to the shadows of the world after suffering such dangers
for God's sake. On the advice of the princes of God's army they vowed
themselves to God's Temple under this rule: they would renounce the
world, give up personal goods, free themselves to pursue purity, and
lead a communal life wearing a poor habit, only using arms to defend the
land against the attacks of the insurgent pagans when necessity
demanded."[13]

Later chroniclers write that Hugues de Payens approached King Baldwin II
of Jerusalem (whose reign began in 1118) with eight knights, two of whom
were brothers and all of whom were his relatives by either blood or
marriage, in order to form the Order of the Knights Templar. The other
knights were Godfrey de Saint-Omer, Payen de Montdidier, Archambaud de
St. Agnan, Andre de Montbard, Geoffrey Bison, and two men recorded only
by the names of Rossal and Gondamer. Baldwin approved the foundation of
the Order and entrusted the Temple of Jerusalem to its care.

Count Hugh of Champagne himself joined the Knights Templar on his third
visit to the Holy Land in 1125.

As Grand Master, Hugues de Payens led the Order for almost twenty years
until his death, helping to establish the Order's foundations as an
important and influential military and financial institution. On his
visit to England and Scotland in 1128, he raised men and money for the
Order, and also founded their first House in London and another near
Edinburgh at Balantrodoch, now known as Temple, Midlothian. The Latin
Rule laying down the way of life of the Order, attributed to Hugues de
Payens and Bernard of Clairvaux, was confirmed in 1129 at the Council of
Troyes over which Pope Honorius II presided.

Hugues de Payens died, apparently in Palestine, in 1136. The
circumstances and date of his death are not recorded in any chronicle,
though the Templars commemorated him every year on 24 May.[14] The 16th
century historian Marco Antonio Guarini claimed that Hugues was buried
in the Church of San Giacomo at Ferrara.[15] He was succeeded as Grand
Master by Robert de Craon.

In popular culture[edit]

It has recently been claimed that the wife of Hugues de Payens was
Catherine St. Clair within the context of the alternative histories of
Rosslyn.[16][17]

Hugues is the main protagonist of the Jack Whyte novel Knights of the
Black and White.

In the video game Deus Ex the protagonist visits a Cathedral de Payens,
named most likely after Hugues de Payens. In game the cathedral hosts
the entire gold reserve of the former templars.

Notes[edit]

Jump up^ Text at The Latin Library
Jump up^ Text: see book 12 chapter 7
Jump up^ Leroy, Thierry (1997). Hugues de Payns, chevalier champenois,
fondateur de l'Ordre des Templiers. Troyes: Maison Boulanger. ISBN
2950789560.
Jump up^ See Commanderie de Payns (French Wikipedia)
Jump up^ Michel des Chaliards, Les Pagels de l'Ardèche et leurs
seigneurs (Roudil) p. 44; F. Malartre, in Revue du Vivarais vol. 86
(1982) p. 125; Odo de Gissey, Histoire de N.D du Puy (1644)
Jump up^ J. G. Atienza, La mística solar de los Templarios pp. 240–243
Jump up^ See Hug de Pinós (Catalan Wikipedia)
Jump up^ Karl Baedeker, Italy: handbook for travellers. Part 3 (Coblenz,
1869) p. 145
Jump up^ Nocera dei Pagani in Catholic Encyclopedia vol. 11 (1911)
Jump up^ Rotundo, Domenico (1983). Templari, misteri e cattedrali. Rome.
p. 38. ISBN 9788865010006. Retrieved 25 May 2012. "Ho scritto a mio
padre in Nocera che mi faccia gratia venire a Rossano per consolare V.S.
et a Madama Zia Hippolita"
Jump up^ Mario Moiraghi, L'Italiano che fondò i Templari. Hugo de
Paganis cavaliere di Campania (Edizioni Ancora, 2005. ISBN
978-8851402792) See interview with Moiraghi
Jump up^ Selwood, Dominic. "Knights Templar 3: Birth of the Order".
Retrieved 20 April 2013.
Jump up^ Simon de St. Bertin, Gesta abbatum Sancti Bertini Sithensium
ed. O. Holder-Egger, in Monumenta Germanica Historica: Scriptores vol.
13, p. 649. Translation by Helen Nicholson
Jump up^ "Un obituaire de la commanderie de Reims indique que les
Templiers célébraient sa mémoire le 24 mai:" Hugues de Payns (French
Wikipedia)
Jump up^ Marco Antonio Guarini, Compendio historico p. 224; Bianca
Capone Ferrari, Loredana Imperio, Enzo Valentini, Guida all'Italia dei
templari. Gli insediamenti templari in Italia (Rom: Edizioni
Mediterranee, 1997) p. 125
Jump up^ e.g. Tim Wallace-Murphy, The Templar Legacy & The Masonic
Inheritance within Rosslyn Chapel, p.17 (The Friends of Rosslyn, 1994
ISBN 9521493-1-1).
Jump up^ The claim that Hugues de Payens married Catherine St. Clair was
made in Les Dossiers Secrets d'Henri Lobineau (1967), "Tableau
Généalogique de Gisors, Guitry, Mareuil et Saint-Clair par Henri
Lobineau" in Pierre Jarnac, Les Mystères de Rennes-le-Château, Mélanges
Sulfureux (CERT, 1995).

Sixth Email

Here are the new documents I finished on Uctred of Molle and Liulf, they
are of the House of Lumley. Liulf is documented, by his wife. His wifes
father is son of the famous Uchtred, Earl of Northumbria.  So Liulf's
father inlaws half sister, is the mother of Fergus and Richard de
Morville. Means we are on the right track, the Steward mother appeas she
would be the daughter of Uctred of the House of Lumley.


The document in the note section attached says it well, DNA may be the
route by finding a line to Fergus and his families, test them with a
documented Buccleuch. Doing female DNA does not really tell anything, we
may not gain much more on Lady Eschena. Still this research has advanced
this lost history, very well!


Thank you for the Posting!


Gary Gianotti


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:25 PM, Alastair McIntyre wrote:

> Hi Gary... I have added your information to a page on the site at;
> http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/minibios/s/stuart.htm
>
> Alastair
> --------
> Alastair McIntyre GOTJ, FSA Scot
> Electric Scotland
> http://www.electricscotland.com
> http://www.electriccanadian.com
> 167 Raleigh St.
> Chatham, ON
> N7M 2N4
> Canada
> Tel: EST +1 519 351 7020
>
> -----Original Message----- From: gary gianotti
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:47 PM
> To: alastairi@electricscotland.com
> Subject: Scott-Buccleuch-Stuart -Lost-Father Line
>
> Dear Mr. McIntry
>
> Alen fitz walter high steward married Margaret De Galloway. Alen is
> Lady
> Eschena's son and Margaret is King Fergus daughter! Did you know that
> one? Fergus, son Uchtred gave the land of Kilwinning to the monks!
> Hugh/Richard de Morville, given a charter by James London=?Henry
> London
> family? Hugh of the sands, is lord Cunningham high Constable of
> Scotland, who builds Kilwinning. You will like this one on the name De
> Morville, why was Fergus brother Richard de Morville, given this same
> name as Huge de Morville. We know that Fergus and Huge de Morville
> share
> the identical arms of the silver lion on a blue shield? Why though?
> Aside of the Royals doing their marriages, whats so important about
> Huge/Richard family of Normandy? Has to do with who he is, or he would
> not have such power given to him!
>
> Read what I attached about Beatrice de Beauchamp married to Hugh De
> Morville, is this correct on the 2nd attachment? Meaning that they
> address the name of who may be the relation to someone never
> identitied
> with direct links to the origins of being maybe Huges De Payne,
> Knights
> Templar first grandmaster link? Maybe!
>
> Gary Gianotti
>
>
> Family Links
> Spouses/Children:
> Beatrice de Beauchamp
>
> Richard de Morville Constable of Scotland, Lord of Cunningham+
> Maud de Morville+
> Ada de Morville+
> Hugo de Morville Constable of Scotland
>
> Born: Abt 1100, Morville in Manche, Normandy
> Marriage: Beatrice de Beauchamp
> Died: 1162, Scotland about age 62 783
>   General Notes:
>
>
> Morville is from Morville, a few kilometres south-west of Brix, and
> the
> Morvilles were prominent tenants on the Honour of Huntingdon.
>
>
>   Information about this person:
>
> • Background Information. 783
> Morville is the surname of a high feudal family of Anglo-Norman
> origin.
> It supposedly was taken from a village of Morville which lies on the
> water of Aire, in the province of NOTE:Picardy, France.
>
> The fist person recorded with this name in Scotland is Hugh de
> Morville.
> He came from the Burgh on the Sands, in Cumberland, sometimes around
> 1100, and acquired extensive possessions in Tweeddale, Lauderdale, the
> Lothianas, Clyesdale, and especially in Cunningham, Ayrshire. He also
> held the hereditary office of lord-high-constable of the kingdom. He
> was
> a witness to Inquisitis Daridis, 1116.
>
> In 1140, Hugh de Morville founded the abbey of Kilwinning, in
> Cunningham. In 1150, he founded Dryburgh abbey. He died in 1162. By
> his
> wife, Beatrice de Beauchamp, he is said to have acquired still greater
> possession than his own. He had a son,Richard de Morvill, and a
> daughter
> who married Richard de Germin.
>
> ~The Scottish nation: The Scottish Nation: Or, The Surnames, Families,
> Literature, Honours, and Biographical History of the People of
> Scotland,
> Vol. III, pages 730-731
>
> • Background Information.
> Hugh de Morville was the son (or possibly grandson of Simon de
> Morville
> and Ada, daughter and heiress of William de Engaine, lord of Burgh by
> Sands. Maud and Ada de Morville were the children of this Hugh, the
> Constable, and both married ino the social millieu of Anglo-Norman
> England. By 1171, Ada was the wife of Roger Betram, lord of Miltford
> In
> Northumberland. Maud married William Vieuxpont, whose family held
> important estates in Scotland, England and Normandy.
>
> Information found in two snippets on GoogleBooks:
>
> Lanzelet, by Ulrich von Zataikhove, Thomas Kerth
> Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland, by Keith John Stringer
>
>
> Hugo married Beatrice de Beauchamp, daughter of Robert de Beauchamp
> and
> Unknown.
>
>
> Comments
> My New Mexico Roots & Native Roots - My New Mexico Roots - My link to
> the New England Pilgrim settlers & their link to a Web of English
> Ancestors
> © Nancy López
>
> Family Links
> Spouses/Children:
> Unknown
>
> Payne Beauchamp Lord of Bedford+
> Beatrice de Beauchamp+
> Miles de Beauchamp
> Robert de Beauchamp
>
> Born: Abt 1081, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
> Marriage: Unknown
>   Information about this person:
>
> • Background Information: Victoria County History A History of the
> County of Bedfordshire, Vol. III. 1200
> Hugh de Beauchamp's successor was Simon de Beauchamp, in all
> probability
> his son, (Dugdale's version which makes Simon the elder and Payn the
> younger son of Hugh de Beauchamp is not compatible with documentary
> evidence and has been discarded.) who had succeeded some time before
> 1114, about which date he was overlord of Robert de Brienne and others
> in Bedfordshire. [Cart. Mon. de Rames. (Rolls Ser.), i, 83, 143] His
> death took place c. 1137, when he left a daughter as heir. [Hist.
> Eccl.
> Orderici Vitalis, 966] The following year the castle is found in the
> possession of Miles de Beauchamp, described as one of the sons of
> Robert
> de Beauchamp, [Ibid.; Gesta Steph.(Rolls Ser.), iii, 30] who is
> presumed
> to be a younger brother of Simon de Beauchamp.
>
> ~V.C.H., A History of the County of Bedford, Vol. III, pp 9-15
>
>
> Name[edit]
>
> Most of the primary sources for his life are in Latin or medieval
> French. In French his name usually appears as Hugues de Payens or
> Payns
> (French pronunciation: ​[yɡ də pɛ̃]). His earliest certain appearance
> in
> documents is under the part-Latin, part-French name Hugo de Peans
> (1120–1125; details below). Later Latin sources call him Hugo de
> Paganis. In English works he often appears as Hugh de Payns, in
> Italian
> sometimes as Ugo de' Pagani.
>
> Origin and early life[edit]
>
> No early biography of Hugues de Payens exists, nor do later writers
> cite
> such a biography. None of the sources on his later career give details
> of his early life. Information is therefore scanty and uncertain;
> embellishments depend partly on documents that may not refer to the
> same
> individual, partly on histories written decades or even centuries
> after
> his death.
>
> The earliest source that pins down a geographical origin for the later
> Grand Master is the Old French translation of William of Tyre's
> History
> of Events Beyond the Sea. The Latin text calls him simply Hugo de
> Paganis,[1] but the French translation, dated to c. 1200, describes
> him
> as Hues de Paiens delez Troies ("Hugh of Payens near Troyes"),[2] a
> reference to the village ofPayns, about 10 km from Troyes, in
> Champagne
> (eastern France).
>
> In early documents of that region Hugo de Pedano, Montiniaci dominus
> is
> mentioned as a witness to a donation by Count Hugh of Champagne in a
> document of 1085–90, indicating that the man was at least sixteen by
> this date—a legal adult and thus able to bear witness to legal
> documents—and so born no later than 1070. The same name appears on a
> number of other charters up to 1113 also relating to Count Hugh of
> Champagne, suggesting that Hugo de Pedano or Hugo dominus de Peanz was
> a
> member of the Count's court. By the year 1113 he was married to
> Elizabeth de Chappes, who bore him at least one child, Thibaud, later
> abbot of Abbaye de la Colombe|la Colombe at Sens. The documents span
> Hugues' lifetime and the disposition of his property after his
> death.[3]
>
> The one belated statement that the founder of the Knights Templars
> came
> from "Payns near Troyes" has some circumstantial confirmation. Bernard
> of Clairvaux, who favoured the Order and helped to compose its Latin
> Rule, also had the support of Hugh of Champagne. The Latin Rule of the
> Order was confirmed at the Council of Troyes in 1129. A Templar
> commandery was eventually built at Payns.[4] Some scholars have
> however
> looked for Hugues' origins elsewhere. There was an early claim that he
> came from the Vivarais (the district of Viviers in the modern
> département of Ardèche).[5] Hugues has also been identified with Hug
> de
> Pinós, third son of Galceran I, lord of Pinós in Catalonia;[6]
> however,
> Galceran married only in 1090, far too late a date for him to be the
> father of the founder of the Knights Templars.[7]
>
> There is also a claim that Hugues de Payens or Ugo de' Pagani came
> from
> Nocera de' Pagani in Campania, southern Italy. Reference to Nocera as
> his birthplace is found at least as early as Baedeker's Southern Italy
> (1869)[8] and is also found in the Old Catholic Encyclopedia.[9] Two
> more recent writers say that the theory is supported by a letter that
> Hugues wrote from Palestine in 1103, in which he talked of writing to
> "my father in Nocera" to tell him of the death of his cousin
> Alessandro.[10][11]
>
> The foundation of the Order[edit]
>
> Count Hugh of Champagne made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1104–07
> and visited Jerusalem for a second time in 1114–16. It is probable
> that
> he was accompanied by Hugues de Payens, who remained there after the
> Count returned to France as there is a charter with "Hugonis de Peans"
> in the witness list from Jerusalem in 1120 and again in 1123. In 1125
> his name appears again as a witness to a donation, this time
> accompanied
> by the title "magister militum Templi" ("Master of the Knights of the
> Temple"). He most likely obtained approval for the Order from King
> Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Warmund, Patriarch of Jerusalem at the
> Council of Nablus in 1120.[12]
>
> One early chronicler, Simon de St. Bertin, implies that the Knights
> Templar originated earlier, before the death of Godfrey of Bouillon in
> 1100: "While he [Godfrey] was reigning magnificently, some had decided
> not to return to the shadows of the world after suffering such dangers
> for God's sake. On the advice of the princes of God's army they vowed
> themselves to God's Temple under this rule: they would renounce the
> world, give up personal goods, free themselves to pursue purity, and
> lead a communal life wearing a poor habit, only using arms to defend
> the
> land against the attacks of the insurgent pagans when necessity
> demanded."[13]
>
> Later chroniclers write that Hugues de Payens approached King Baldwin
> II
> of Jerusalem (whose reign began in 1118) with eight knights, two of
> whom
> were brothers and all of whom were his relatives by either blood or
> marriage, in order to form the Order of the Knights Templar. The other
> knights were Godfrey de Saint-Omer, Payen de Montdidier, Archambaud de
> St. Agnan, Andre de Montbard, Geoffrey Bison, and two men recorded
> only
> by the names of Rossal and Gondamer. Baldwin approved the foundation
> of
> the Order and entrusted the Temple of Jerusalem to its care.
>
> Count Hugh of Champagne himself joined the Knights Templar on his
> third
> visit to the Holy Land in 1125.
>
> As Grand Master, Hugues de Payens led the Order for almost twenty
> years
> until his death, helping to establish the Order's foundations as an
> important and influential military and financial institution. On his
> visit to England and Scotland in 1128, he raised men and money for the
> Order, and also founded their first House in London and another near
> Edinburgh at Balantrodoch, now known as Temple, Midlothian. The Latin
> Rule laying down the way of life of the Order, attributed to Hugues de
> Payens and Bernard of Clairvaux, was confirmed in 1129 at the Council
> of
> Troyes over which Pope Honorius II presided.
>
> Hugues de Payens died, apparently in Palestine, in 1136. The
> circumstances and date of his death are not recorded in any chronicle,
> though the Templars commemorated him every year on 24 May.[14] The
> 16th
> century historian Marco Antonio Guarini claimed that Hugues was buried
> in the Church of San Giacomo at Ferrara.[15] He was succeeded as Grand
> Master by Robert de Craon.
>
> In popular culture[edit]
>
> It has recently been claimed that the wife of Hugues de Payens was
> Catherine St. Clair within the context of the alternative histories of
> Rosslyn.[16][17]
>
> Hugues is the main protagonist of the Jack Whyte novel Knights of the
> Black and White.
>
> In the video game Deus Ex the protagonist visits a Cathedral de
> Payens,
> named most likely after Hugues de Payens. In game the cathedral hosts
> the entire gold reserve of the former templars.
>
> Notes[edit]
>
> Jump up^ Text at The Latin Library
> Jump up^ Text: see book 12 chapter 7
> Jump up^ Leroy, Thierry (1997). Hugues de Payns, chevalier champenois,
> fondateur de l'Ordre des Templiers. Troyes: Maison Boulanger. ISBN
> 2950789560.
> Jump up^ See Commanderie de Payns (French Wikipedia)
> Jump up^ Michel des Chaliards, Les Pagels de l'Ardèche et leurs
> seigneurs (Roudil) p. 44; F. Malartre, in Revue du Vivarais vol. 86
> (1982) p. 125; Odo de Gissey, Histoire de N.D du Puy (1644)
> Jump up^ J. G. Atienza, La mística solar de los Templarios pp. 240–243
> Jump up^ See Hug de Pinós (Catalan Wikipedia)
> Jump up^ Karl Baedeker, Italy: handbook for travellers. Part 3
> (Coblenz,
> 1869) p. 145
> Jump up^ Nocera dei Pagani in Catholic Encyclopedia vol. 11 (1911)
> Jump up^ Rotundo, Domenico (1983). Templari, misteri e cattedrali.
> Rome.
> p. 38. ISBN 9788865010006. Retrieved 25 May 2012. "Ho scritto a mio
> padre in Nocera che mi faccia gratia venire a Rossano per consolare
> V.S.
> et a Madama Zia Hippolita"
> Jump up^ Mario Moiraghi, L'Italiano che fondò i Templari. Hugo de
> Paganis cavaliere di Campania (Edizioni Ancora, 2005. ISBN
> 978-8851402792) See interview with Moiraghi
> Jump up^ Selwood, Dominic. "Knights Templar 3: Birth of the Order".
> Retrieved 20 April 2013.
> Jump up^ Simon de St. Bertin, Gesta abbatum Sancti Bertini Sithensium
> ed. O. Holder-Egger, in Monumenta Germanica Historica: Scriptores vol.
> 13, p. 649. Translation by Helen Nicholson
> Jump up^ "Un obituaire de la commanderie de Reims indique que les
> Templiers célébraient sa mémoire le 24 mai:" Hugues de Payns (French
> Wikipedia)
> Jump up^ Marco Antonio Guarini, Compendio historico p. 224; Bianca
> Capone Ferrari, Loredana Imperio, Enzo Valentini, Guida all'Italia dei
> templari. Gli insediamenti templari in Italia (Rom: Edizioni
> Mediterranee, 1997) p. 125
> Jump up^ e.g. Tim Wallace-Murphy, The Templar Legacy & The Masonic
> Inheritance within Rosslyn Chapel, p.17 (The Friends of Rosslyn, 1994
> ISBN 9521493-1-1).
> Jump up^ The claim that Hugues de Payens married Catherine St. Clair
> was
> made in Les Dossiers Secrets d'Henri Lobineau (1967), "Tableau
> Généalogique de Gisors, Guitry, Mareuil et Saint-Clair par Henri
> Lobineau" in Pierre Jarnac, Les Mystères de Rennes-le-Château,
> Mélanges
> Sulfureux (CERT, 1995).

Uctred of Moll (pdf)

Seventh Email

Here is what survives of all the United States 18th century seals, on the top left one from my old collection is period to the American Revolution. All made by Robert Scot of Pitlochie, son of George Scot of Pitlochie III. There was about 14 federal government seal of USA made for all offices and other great seals. Only these survive that is know, any that do survive are stolen.

Robert Strange Makers Mark.pdf

Great Seal Grouping.pdf

Second PDF of Amen Glasses, most important 18th century glasses. Read document of my friend Ian and his associate who presented the history that Sri RObert Stange made them. Years of work to convince people that Robert Strange made them with no offical documents. My research on engraving, proves they are made by Strange, what they could not find, like I did changes the value of these most famous Jacobite Glasses. The makers marks are consistant in all the 30 or so Amen glasses surviving today. Only worth $1000's US- $100k per glass, now being documented to the greatest 19th century engraver who trained the United States Great Seak maker. Now can be said to be worth millions of dollars US, each.

When I first examined the images of the glasses, from a doze or more glasses. The study only took me a few day to find the makers marks, Ian is a prpfessional engraver and never knew of these marks existed. Done in Diamond point under a magnified glass lense. This is only one group of glasses, imaging putting new dollar values on many other US relics and Scotlnads relics by this method? Peoples repository relics or national treasure. 

The Amen Glasses and Sir Robert Strange - Scottish Glass www.scotlandsglass.co.uk › Artists & Makers › General Articles‎ May 13, 2011 - The 'Amen' glasses are among the most valuable 18th  century drinking .... a friend of mine, Ian McKenzie. who is a professional glass engraver ...

Eighth Email

You will enjoy this pdf document, sent this to Chief Fergus MacDowell, also!

Scott Family of Arms-Fergus of Galloway Arms-Sir John Scot of Scotstarvit Arms

Ninth Email

Here you go! Know your busy, but if you get a chance to read this all over the place document. Much can be accomplished. Allister is helping me get the DNA results of Dunbars, Fergus line and Buccleuch. If they all match, we will still be guess who the fathers are. EXCEPT we take the history of the families to real ancient history if we get the match. Odd seem to be very good. We will know they are all from the same bloodline origins back to the ancients, oh yes

Buccleuch - Scott - Washington

Tenth Email

Alastair,

You genius, I found the Hepburn section and they are of Patricks line of
Dunbar origin. Meaning Hertburn is Hepburn and that means Uchtred Fitz
Scot-Anselm of Molle is of Dunbar! Our Buccleuch are of the Dunbar line
and we do not need to do the DNA comparison. If the families want to
believe its true then they can!

Your are the Best!

Gary Gianotti


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 04:33 PM, Alastair McIntyre wrote:

> Have you seen this publication?
>
> A descriptive catalogue of impressions from ancient Scottish seals
>
> https://archive.org/download/descriptivecatal00bann/descriptivecatal00bann.pdf
>
> Alastair

Eleventh Email

I'm an idiot, read this about sir walter Scott. He held the titles linked to the family of Hepburns of Dunbar. So, yes Hertburn is Hepburn and our Buccleuchs are of Dunbar.

Gary Gianotti 

Lordship and Barony of Hailes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See also Paper Trail Genealogist (pdf)