Hello,
one and all,
Hearing no objections, here are the replies I received. I removed the
names of individuals mentioned - names have been changed to protect the
innocent. Took poetic license and deleted one phrase from one reply and
made spelling changes to two. Other than that, everything is exactly the
way people replied. Left in the references to tribes that are mentioned.
Still have original emails to prove those were my only changes. Going to
forward the replies to some of my Pawnee people who were interested in
seeing the replies.
There's a wide range and depth of responses and feelings. Very powerful.
This is something touching our lives now, and some tribes have gone
ahead to lead the way. This issue will be more important for our future
generations and for the existence of our tribes/nations.
I believe that knowledge is power and the more we know, the more we can
make informed decisions. Replies are from a wide range of tribes, gender,
location, professions and age groups. I am so surprised that there are no
resources or information available that I could find about this issue.
Again, to each of you, thanks for taking time out to respond. You have
given me much to think and pray about before the vote takes place.
Irene
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Response #1:
My tribe's enrollment requirement is 1/8th. Since we are small, it has
been advantages to us. I wouldn't want to see us get a decendency roll
because then you have all kinds of people on the roll like the cherokees.
The 1/8 requirement has been working for us.
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Response #2:
1. Do you know of any other Oklahoma tribes/nations or other national
tribes/nations that have successfully lowered their blood quantum
enrollment requirement to less than 1/4, i.e., 1/8, 1/16, etc.? Not off
the top of my head
2. What were the impacts on the tribe's/nation's of this decision to
lower the requirement? Any benefits? Advantages, disadvantages?
Advantages are that the tribe would no longer cease to exist, as our Ponca
tribe is threatened in this way.
3. Do you know of a website where I might find information about this
issue? No
4. What is your tribe/nation's blood requirement? Ponca, 1/4
5. What are your views on a blood quantum's? Originally according to
one of our past council person they were simply rolls made for a count as
to citizenship and not to regulate anything. Personally, it seems to me
just another genocide method of causing quarrelling between our folks.
6. What is your opinion of having designated blood quantum's versus
having descendency enrollments? Decendency enrollment gets away from a
lot of political squabbling over whatever issue comes up. Prejudice is
prejudice, no matter what turn it takes. Fear is the root of prejudice.
Why should we fear our own children as to the opposite, love our own?
7. Do you know of any legal problems occurring between the Feds and
the tribes/nations after blood quantum was lowered? I don't, but that
doesn't mean anything. I do not keep up with any of these things.
8. What legal implications are there relative to the federal
requirements of 1/4 degree to be considered Indian? Or is this relevant
to this issue? Here is one, but I can imagine there would be great
numbers of issues. It wouldn't make any difference. Never has. We can sue
the government, but in the Ponca's case it took generations to receive
claim money for their land in Nebraska, and then it was just a pittance of
what land is really worth. Around 1500.00 a person. That wasn't much of
an inheritance compared to being a Rockafellow or a Prince Charles.
9. Any other comments? Here is my story as to the way ill
treatment and reverse discrimination in an Indian hospital has caused
great emotional and financial difficulties for us as a family.
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Response #3:
Greetings,
What can I say? I'm a full blood and naturally resented the change . Of
course, being out numbered the resolution was passed a few years ago to
lower to 1/8. This action helped my (our) relatives get their
grandchildren enrolled which otherwise wouldn't have happened. I call
these folks "paper Sac & Fox's. (NAME DELETED) could give you more
info on how it effects the business side, like more funding. You know
more (members) means less ($) per person too.
You're lucky to have two councils for decisions. We have the B.C. and
a woman administrator who tells them how to conduct business and another
woman who is second in command to her. <<PHRASE REMOVED>>
I hate to even think of the mention descendancy enrollments. I hope this
happens after I'm history.
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Response #4:
1. Do you know of any other Oklahoma tribes/nations or other national
tribes/nations that have successfully lowered their blood quantum
enrollment requirement to less than 1/4, i.e., 1/8, 1/16, etc.? Yes,
the Kiowas voted in June 2002 and it was passed to go to 1/8, it still
needs to be ratified and approved by the Secretary of the Interior. Also,
the Comanches approved theirs last year for 1/8, my granddaughter is
enrolled Comanche.
2. What were the impacts on the tribe's/nation's of this decision to lower
the requirement? Any benefits? Advantages, disadvantages? Larger amount
of funding for the tribe from the feds with more tribal members is an
advantage. I don't believe there are any disadvantages, because they are
our children!
3. Do you know of a website where I might find information about this
issue? No
4. What is your tribe/nation's blood requirement? Kiowas still 1/4
until ratified and approved by the Secretary. Comanches are 1/8 and no
parent has to be enrolled (which was their previous requirement
-regardless if you were 1/4. I know because I tried to enroll my son in
1993 who is 1/4 Comanche, but they refused saying I had to be enrolled, I
said dang, his Ka-Koo was a full-blood Comanche (if there is such a
thing-Aye).
5. What are your views on a blood quantums? I think we should all go
to descendency. The blood quantum issue only causes hurt and problems, if
people can prove they are from a tribe we should let them be a tribal
member.
6. What is your opinion of having designated blood quantums versus having
descendancy enrollments? I like descendancy enrollment.
7. Do you know of any legal problems occurring between the Feds and
the tribes/nations after blood quantum was lowered? NO
8. What legal implications are there relative to the federal requirements
of 1/4 degree to be considered Indian? Or is this relevant to this issue?
Don't know.
9. Any other comments? I voted for 1/8 for Kiowas in June 2002.
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Response #5:
1. Do you know of any other Oklahoma tribes/nations or other national
tribes/nations that have successfully lowered their blood quantum
enrollment requirement to less than 1/4, i.e., 1/8, 1/16, etc.? NO, I
SURE DON'T
2. What were the impacts on the tribe's/nation's of this decision to
lower the requirement? Any benefits? Advantages, disadvantages? I
HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT THERE WILL BE A DISADVANTAGE IN THAT THE TRIBE
WILL EVENTUALLY BREED ITSELF OUT OF EXISTENCE.
3. Do you know of a website where I might find information about this
issue? NO
4. What is your tribe/nation's blood requirement? 1/4
5. What are your views on a blood quantums? IT IS BECOMING MORE
COMPLICATED TO KEEP TRACK OF THE BLOOD OF EACH TRIBE OF AN INDIVIDUAL
6. What is your opinion of having designated blood quantums versus
having descendancy enrollments? BLOOD QUANTUM KEEPS IT IN THE
"FAMILY" SO TO SPEAK, OTHERWISE MANY MAY BECOME A PART OF THE PARTICULAR
TRIBE.
7. Do you know of any legal problems occurring between the Feds and the
tribes/nations after blood quantum was lowered? i HAVE HEARD OF NONE.
8. What legal implications are there relative to the federal
requirements of 1/4 degree to be considered Indian? Or is this relevant
to this issue? i ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS THE TRIBES PEROGATIVE
TO DETERMINE ITS MEMBERSHIP, NOT THE FEDS.
9. Any other comments? YES, WHY NOT DECLARE ALL MEMBERS OF A TRIBE
"FULL-BLOODS" AT A CERTAIN DATE TO ABSORB THOSE WHO HAVE NOT ENOUGH
BLOOD TO GET ON A ROLL. MUCH BETTER TO PROLONG THE EXISTENCE OF A TRIBE
THAN TO SHORTEN IT INTO EXTINCTION BY LOWERING THE BLOOD REQUIREMENTS TO
BE A MEMBER.
Further clarification on #9 above:
It may be a little late, but the point I wanted to stress is a point
that I and the late Browning Pipestem agreed upon,..that is to declare
everyone a full blood from a particular date. i.e., all those born after a
certain date. Federal law holds that tribes have the right to determine
their membership, and/or requirements thereof. It would be much better to
INCREASE the blood amount as opposed to DECREASING it. At least the tribe
would last another 50 to 75 years before it would have to be done
again,..by then, our generation would be gone anyway.
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Response #6:
Surely this was an issue long before you, as members, were notified
of this referendum. The Ioways had this same issue several years ago,
probably in the early '80's (1980's that is!)!! We were already at 1/4
degree blood quantum then, and had been since the adoption of our
Constitution of the 1930's. So after a group of babies had been
enrolled in the early 70's, it became apparent that this might be the
last generation to be enrolled members of the Tribe. So we started
discussing ways and options for keeping our Tribe going. As a result of
much pondering, and prayer, too, we came up with this solution. Please
understand that the Ioways are a very small tribe, as compared to the
mighty Pawnee!! and others, but this issue (later, it became an action)
had a positive effect on the tribe. Of course we we had the assistance
of the BIA, and then we had good relations with Bureau officials. My
uncle kept it that way--he allowed them to give us advise, but before
anything was done, it was discussed in detail within the business
committee, and then later presented to the governing body, and voted
upon. Sometimes issues were passed, then sometimes they didn't--but at
least the People were given that opportunity!
1. Do you know of any other Oklahoma tribes/nations or other national
tribes/nations that have successfully lowered their blood quantum
enrollment requirement to less than 1/4, i.e., 1/8, 1/16, etc.? The
Ioways of Oklahoma, to 1/8. The Northern Ioways have no blood quantum,
and enrollment is through decendency. At their events all you see are
blue/green eyed and blond participants. (Of course, nothing wrong with
that, my own grandchildren look like that too!)
2. What were the impacts on the tribe's/nation's of this decision to
lower the requirement? Any benefits? Advantages, disadvantages?
Our whole reasoning was to be able to continue to grow which would allow
our children to become members of a federally recongonized tribe. There
were issues about the passing of this too, but it was very ironic---the
very people/members that were against it, were the first ones to enroll
they children/ grandchildren! Most of those that were less than
one-quarter degree Iowa, were other tribes too. So this person might be
only one-eighth Iowa, but maybe 3/4's Otoe, so they would still be
full-bloods, and qualify for other government services, ie; BIA, IHS,
Grants, etc.
5. What are your views on a blood quantums? I think you need to set
blood quantums----if not, you only need to prove decendency, and alot of
people could become enrolled, which would increase the size of your tribe,
and in some instances defray the services, or limit the services that your
Tribe could provide to your members, or the community.
6. What is your opinion of having designated blood quantums versus having
descendancy enrollments? I refer to #5.
7. Do you know of any legal problems occurring between the Feds and the
tribes/nations after blood quantum was lowered? None that I am aware
of--however, I retired from tribal politics in 1987, and kinda out of the
picture, so don't know.
8. What legal implications are there relative to the federal requirements
of 1/4 degree to be considered Indian? Or is this relevant to this
issue? Most of those that were less than one-quarter degree Iowa, were
other tribes too. So this person might be only one-eighth Iowa, but maybe
3/4's Otoe, so they would still be full-bloods, and qualify for other
government services, ie; BIA, IHS, Grants, etc.
9. Any other comments? Thanks Irene, that was kinda fun, hadn't
wracked my brain like that, in a long while. Not sure, if this is what
you had in mind....later
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You asked my opinion, so here it is. I would be interested in hearing the
other opinions too since this is a hot issue among every tribe. Everybody
needs to be informed.
1. Do you know of any other Oklahoma tribes/nations or other national
tribes/nations that have successfully lowered their blood quantum
enrollment requirement to less than 1/4, i.e., 1/8, 1/16, etc.? Yes,
the Citizen Band Potawatomi's and Cherokee Nation are descendency
tribes. This is why the Cherokee Nation population is so huge!
2. What were the impacts on the tribe's/nation's of this decision to
lower the requirement? Any benefits? Advantages, disadvantages?
Benefits are for the children and grandchildren, in allowing them to
become enrolled members of a federally recognized tribe. There are a lot
of Indian children who are several different tribes, but cannot get on
tribal rolls because they fall below 1/4 of any particular tribe. These
kids are eligible for IHS services, but are not able to take advantage of
some tribal programs where the criteria for eligibility includes being on
the tribal roll.
Increased numbers of enrolled tribal members naturally increases the
tribal population, which may become beneficial to the tribes if the Indian
Health Service allows compacted (Self-governed) tribes to use more recent
tribal numbers than the 1994 tribal membership numbers that are currently
used. More tribal members means increased health funding for
self-governed tribes! Larger numbers of enrolled tribal members gives us
more political clout, especially in states with high Indian populations!
Disadvantages? I can't think of any.
3. Do you know of a website where I might find information about this
issue? No.
4. What is your tribe/nation's blood requirement? The Poncas are
still at 1/4 or more to be enrolled, but I think we need to reconsider the
option of lowering the blood quantum to 1/8.
5. What are your views on a blood quantums? As mentioned, we are
seeing children and grandchildren who are several different tribes and who
are not able to meet tribal enrollment requirements. This makes those
children ineligible for any health services, education services, etc.,
that have blood quantum restrictions.
6. What is your opinion of having designated blood quantums versus having
descendancy enrollments? I think this decision should be left up to
the tribes. Tribes who have descendendancy enrollments should not receive
federal health funding based on their tribal enrollment though. I'm not
sure that this was done for the CB Potts or Cherokee, but I'll bet it
was. If this is so, then: A tribe having descendancy enrollments of 700
people who are all less than 1/8 Indian would get the same amount of
funding as a tribe having blood quantum enrollments of 1/4 or more. Can
you see how the Indians get shortchanged on the blood quantums? It just
isn't right.
7. Do you know of any legal problems occurring between the Feds and the
tribes/nations after blood quantum was lowered? No.
8. What legal implications are there relative to the federal requirements
of 1/4 degree to be considered Indian? Or is this relevant to this
issue? What federal requirements? I was under the impression that
there was no legal definition for who is considered Indian. The Indian
Health Service has an open door policy which allows anyone with a CDIB to
obtain health services.
9. Any other comments? Yes, tribes should probably lower their
enrollment eligibility to blood quantums of 1/8. Tribes should push
for getting IHS eligibility at 1/8th and above for services.
I've seen CDIB's that say 1/257 of 1/3000. Don't ask me how they come up
with those numbers because I haven't figured it out yet - how a person can
be traced back to 1/3000 degree of Indian blood. Personally, I think that
there is a black market on getting CDIB's. One man who came to shampoo my
carpet told me that someone told him that he could get a CDIB easily. The
man didn't even know how much Indian he is, who the Indian ancestor was,
or where to even begin to trace his roots!
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Response #8:
Subj: Blood Quantum
Date: 21.11.02 5:12:18 PM Central Standard Time
1. Tribes/Nations have the sole right and authority to determine tribal
citizenship. This issue went before the US Supreme Court as Martinez vs..
Santa Clara. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Santa Clara Pueblo
government. (Briefly, Ms. Martinez was full blood Santa Clara. She married
a non-tribal member. When she attempted to enroll her children, her
request was denied because Santa Clara requires that the father be an
enrolled tribal member. ---- Seneca is just the opposite.)
2. The question of lowering blood quantum from 1/4 to 1/8 has been on the
ballot for the Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma at least once, maybe more. Kiowa
requires at least 1/4 degree or more of Kiowa or Kiowa Captive blood for
enrollment. There may be an additional requirement that the enrollee's
Kiowa parent be enrolled.
3. Some federal programs that are operated or contracted through the BIA
used to have special requirements regarding residency and blood quantum or
tribal membership. For instance, BIA Indian Education programs were not
allowed to spend money on non-tribal members or on tribal members who had
less than 1/4 degree Indian blood. This was a real problem for the Eastern
Band of Cherokees who required 1/8 degree back then.
4. Some tribes lowered the blood quantum for enrollment but would not
allow those with the lower blood quantum to vote, hold office, or lease
tribal lands. It seems that as your blood quantum went down so did your
rights as a tribal citizen.
5. I voted against the measure to lower the blood quantum for Kiowas even
though that would prevent my grandchildren from being enrolled Kiowas. I
just felt that once again our elders and Indian people would be pushed
aside by our relatives who don't know how to act properly or respectfully.
(I got really angry when I went to the Indian Hospital in Lawton with one
of my grandmas and saw all the Indian elders being pushed to the back of
the line by young people who appeared to be non-Indian.)
6. To my knowledge there is no federal requirement of 1/4 degree Indian
blood to be considered Indian. Even though certain programs used to
require that individuals be enrolled and have at least 1/4 degree Indian
blood for eligibility to receive services -- you can still be enrolled and
considered to be Indian by your tribe if they choose to require less than
1/4 degree tribal blood. As a tribal member /citizen you will have the
rights of citizenship defined by your tribe/nation.
You definitely have a tough decision. But, at least you have tried
to consider the issue with as much information as you can gather in a
short period of time. Good luck.
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Response #9:
I guess i am in favor of blood but counting all the indian blood you
have, not just from that agency - the siouxs do that - only count their
blood from their rez, not even other siouxs. My people have 1/8th from my
rez and all the other indian you have to get to your blood quantum. And
actually the feds just changed the defintion of indian - it used to be a
member of the tribe and 1/4 indian - it is now just a member of the tribe
which made a lot of those okie indians with their decendency rolls
eligible for servcies, bia, ihs, scholarships, etc.
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Response #10:
Yes Irene the Oklahoma Sac and Fox lowered their degree from 1/4 to
1/8. We did ours through a general vote from the general council. Our
constitution requires a refferendum vote from all the tribe. We had a
tough time getting this across, but too many new members were being left
out. I personally was against the change, cause I felt it diluted our
tribal base, but the overwhelming vote went the other way. My Dad who you
know was the Chief before his death, predicted this would happen in our
tribe and with the other tribes also...........................
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Response #11:
1. Do you know of any other Oklahoma tribes/nations or other national
tribes/nations that have successfully lowered their blood quantum
enrollment requirement to less than 1/4, i.e., 1/8, 1/16, etc.? Yes,
SAC/FOX.
2. What were the impacts on the tribe's/nation's of this decision to
lower the requirement? Increase the enrollment and allowed more
individuals to vote and have a say in their tribal affairs. Any
benefits? Has allowed our children to receive college scholarships and
assistance for eyeglasses and funeral assistance.
3. Do you know of a website where I might find information about this
issue? No
4. What is your tribe/nation's blood requirement? CREEK is by
descendancy , SENECA is descendancy, SAC/FOX is 1/8.
5. What are your views on a blood quantums? I think as long as you can
prove your indian and nothing else "except Indian" you should be able to
receive benefits. See the next question.
6. What is your opinion of having designated blood quantums versus having
descendancy enrollments? Well I'm a full blooded Indian if you add up
all my tribes. 1/2 Creek + 1/4 Seneca +1/4 Sac/Fox. Then I went and
married a full blooded Pueblo if you add up all his tribes. 1/2 Cochiti +
3/8 San Filipe + 1/8 Isleta. Then we had a daughter who could be a full
blooded Indian if you add up all of our tribes. Then I (widowed) went and
married (second) a full blooded Indian who is 1/2 Kiowa + 3/8 Caddo + 1/8
Comanche. And we had a son who could be a full blooded Indian if you add
up all his tribal affiliations. Then my son married a full blooded Indian
who is 7/8 Cheyenne + 1/8 Arapaho. They have two children.
7. Do you know of any legal problems occurring between the Feds and the
tribes/nations after blood quantum was lowered? none
8. What legal implications are there relative to the federal requirements
of 1/4 degree to be considered Indian? Or is this relevant to this
issue? SEE #6 for my children and grandchildren.
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Response #12:
my tribe did that a few years ago...alot of tribes with casino money
are lowering the blood quantum....our enrollment says you have to be
decendant from the tribe....1/4....cant be from anywhere else but
there...my great grand father...was one of the first enrollment committee
members.....there are two tribes..at fort belknap...Assiniboine (nakota)
and Gros Ventre tribes...you have to be from either tribe..can be
both...or atleast 1/4 from one...for enrollment...they dont recognize
other assiniboine or other gros ventre tribes
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Below was sent from a friend - something else to think about.
Message below comes is from another source, not the friend, and friend is
not Mr. Humbert.
This is one of the reasons for allowing the change.
-----Original Message-----
From: Society of American Indian Government Employees
[mailto:SAIGE-L@indiana.edu] On Behalf Of John Humbert
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:07 PM
To: SAIGE-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: [SAIGE] from Indian Country Today
Change in regulations would disinherit thousands of Indian landowners
Posted: November 19, 2002
<http://www.indiancountry.com/?search=November+19,+2002> - 1:20pm EST
by: Mark Fogarty <"target="l">http://www.indiancountry.com/?author=37> /
Today
Correspondent
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - A pending change to the Indian Land Consolidation Act
(ILCA) would disinherit thousands of American Indian landholders,
accordingto the Indian Land Working Group.
The 2000 Amendments to the ILCA, which have been signed into law but not
yet converted to Department of Interior regulations, would change
its definition of "Indian" to an enrolled member of a tribe, rather than
use the more liberal lineal descendant definition.
The more than 200 attendees at the Working Group's annual Indian Land
Consolidation Symposium heard that this change, if implemented by DOI,
would cut inheritance rights to heirs of Indian allotments who are not
tribal members, either because they fail to meet blood quantum tests or
for any other reason.
"Membership is a social or political concept. 'Indian' is blood. We never
confused tribal member with Indian," said administrative law-judge Sally
Willett at the meeting. Willett, a former DOI employee with twenty years
of experience in Indian probate, called the change in definition
"the ethnic cleansing of the American Indian."
Bill Ballew, who heads the planning department for the Lummi Nation of
Washington state, told the meeting the change in definition would
definitely have an adverse effect on his nation.
"Quite a few families will lose their land base," he said. What will
happen is that the current generation will receive a life estate in the
property, but won't be able to pass it along. "The next generation is
going to be the one losing it," he said.
"It looks as if we're going to be stuck with this new definition of Indian
so I guess we're going to have to find a way around it," he said. His
tribe is considering a tribal "land assignment" in which the tribe could
assign the allotment back to the affected family.
Austin Nunez, chair of ILWG and chair of the San Xavier district of the
Tohono O'odham Nation, testified before Congress earlier this year that
"at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation alone, 4,096 heirs representing
15,749.44 acres will not be able to inherit."
Underlining the sovereignty issues for Congress, Nunez testified "Defining
who can inherit is a tribal authority and needs to be determined by each
tribal community."
Helen Sanders, vice chair of ILWG, detailed other objections the group has
to the passed amendments and others that are currently pending in
S.1340,which is currently being considered by Congress.
Another is "joint tenancy with right of survivorship." Here, if an Indian
landowner dies without a will, his heirs would inherit jointly, with the
last surviving heir inheriting the land. This would have the effect of
disinheriting descendants of the heirs who die first.
In her own case, Sanders said she would benefit from joint tenancy, since
she is the last surviving sibling on one half of her great
grandfather'sallotment on the Quinault reservation in Washington. But
this would unfairly disinherit her nieces and nephews, she said.
She also objected to the pilot project that allows the Secretary of the
Interior to purchase small interests in allotments and deed them over to
the tribe.
The idea is to try to lessen "fractionation" of Indian lands, caused by
multiple heirs in succeeding generations getting an undivided interest in
the land (her great-grandfather's 80-acre allotment on the Quinault now
has about 80 heirs).
But, she said, the program is targeting the two-percent or less interests
that were the focus of the Supreme Court case Babbitt v. Youpee. In that
case, the high court found the previous taking of these tiny parcels
unconstitutional, and DOI issued a directive to return those taken to
their owners.
But, she said, by and large these two-percent "escheats" have not been
returned, and buying them and donating them to tribes does not jibe with
the Supreme Court decision.
Willett also said she objects to the "partition" provisions of the new
amendments, feeling that they will lead to partitions of lands that can't
be partitioned.
A "passive trust" provision is also problematic, she said, as it will
cause large amounts of land to pass from trust to "fee" (private property)
status.
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